Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By EducatedHands Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:22 am
Jeremy wrote:
Nojus wrote:why yall try to immitate someone else or be like someone else? do u. cause u cant and u wont be j dilla, pete rock, alc, premo etc. u can use the same techniques they use, but u still wont achieve the sound they achieve. why? because u dont think like dilla, pete, alc, premo etc. its not the machine, its the man behind it. plus all great producers got skilled people (engineers, musicians etc) around them.

i hate when people buy an mpc3000 and this they're goin to sound like dilla.


I agree in a way but also its good to have someone to look up to. You should always want to refine your craft and that is what I do every time I listen to music. I pick it apart and see what that producer did and try to incorporate it into what I do. It's ok because like you said, its not the hardware, software, or samples; it's the person. So, so what if I steal a little Dilla, 9th Wonder, and Timabaland. I'll never sound like those three, but I'll sound like me.

i disagree 100%. if you think picking apart how an artist does something to incorporate that into your own work is going to get you anywhere, it will not. you'll just be another wanna be. actually, if you don't consider yourself an artist, be my guest at trying to imitate dilla style/techniques or whatever. when i hear dilla, i feel dilla. you feel me? it's not to be imitated. i've done my fair share of research on the man, and many other artists for that matter. but i do it only to further something in myself that i don't think can be described in words. i take things with me. never ever have i tried to find out how he tries to make his sound. as an artist, it doesn't make a spit of difference to me. we're two different artists. i don't care how he makes a peanut butter and jelly cause i can make one too.

long story short - if anyone considers themselves an artist/aspiring to inspire- paying any mind to how another artist makes their sound is detrimental.

you won't sound like them but you'll sound like you? no.. you'll sound like you trying to sound like them. and why would one person give you the time of day if they can just listen to the real deal?

i don't really care if i sound like a dck. being honest is the nicest thing i could do for anyone.
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By EducatedHands Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:25 am
Jeremy wrote:
Nojus wrote:i guess we all look up to someone else. but as a source of inspiration, not immitation.


when someone inspires you don't you want to learn from them? its not imitation if you're just doing it to learn.

learning? you said you apply it to your own music. that's imitating. and if you want anyone to feel your music / give you the time of day, do you.

oh gee did a bunch of other people already say "do you"? they could be on to something.
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By Jeremy Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:17 am
I don't know about anyone else but I learn by doing. That's like saying I'm a producer because I read about it in the latest issue of XXL. That's BS! I don't care who you are . You started out at the bottom before and how did you get to where you are now? It's all trial and error. Even if I want to know how Dilla got his drums so lively it doesn't matter unless I could afford to have a brain transplant with him. I'm never going to be able to pull it off like he did and maybe after trying it, I don't really care for that technique. Or, maybe I can find a better way for me to do it. If you have already stopped learning and perfecting your craft than I say good luck to you because your going to be the one sounding like yesterday, not me.
By Ldizzy Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:45 am
considering the fact that, according to some cats, dilla bate pete rock's ass off on a couple of his prods... i would water the shit down...

Thing is, there is a constant with every dope ass producer : their first prods... before they had to ''think in the not-necessarly-mainstream.. but contemporary sound of their time/era'' were all REALLY DISTINCT AND WEIRD when u look at what was done at the time...

hope ya'll get what i'm sayin'...

no lie

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im constantly askin myself if people out there ''see''.. as in visually, sounds when they make or listen to beats..
By Ldizzy Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:48 am
Jeremy wrote:Exactly. You think Dilla, Timbo, Pharrell, 9th Wonder.. etc.. got to where they are with having a mentality of what I know is enough. You always have to learn and prefect your craft


honestly.. there are some days where i feel timbaland doesnt even give a flowers about any other beatmaker out there.. but then i listen closer.. and lol i see a metaphore..
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By Jeremy Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:08 am
:lol: I never said I liked timbo the man. I do think he is really arrogant ever since the album with JT. But, he wouldn't be where he is today if he refused to grow as a producer and he sounded like he did back 20 some odd years in high school making demo tracks with Missy and Magoo.

People just got to learn that artist development doesn't mean ego development! :roll:
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By kneebone77 Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:00 pm
There is nothing new under the sun, and all great artist steal, (or borrow heavily). I believe it was Stevie Wonder who said, "a good artist Barrows and a great artist Steals." I say, Steal, Barrow, Appropriate, Imitate or whatever the F**k to your hearts content with reckless abandon! It's the hip-hop way, It's the American way. You can't help but put your own personal spin on it anyway, and usually no one but you knows what you were attempting to imitate. we all interpret things differently. Now, biting won't make you tight. You either have the "It Factor" or you don't. All I'm sayin is, "why re-invent the wheel?"

Robert Johnson -> Jimi Hendrix -> Prince -> Bilal
James Brown -> Everyone!!!
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By EducatedHands Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:47 pm
kneebone77 wrote:There is nothing new under the sun, and all great artist steal, (or borrow heavily). I believe it was Stevie Wonder who said, "a good artist Barrows and a great artist Steals." I say, Steal, Barrow, Appropriate, Imitate or whatever the F**k to your hearts content with reckless abandon! It's the hip-hop way, It's the American way. You can't help but put your own personal spin on it anyway, and usually no one but you knows what you were attempting to imitate. we all interpret things differently. Now, biting won't make you tight. You either have the "It Factor" or you don't. All I'm sayin is, "why re-invent the wheel?"

Robert Johnson -> Jimi Hendrix -> Prince -> Bilal
James Brown -> Everyone!!!

damn. can't argue with that.
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By Jeremy Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:32 pm
everything has been done already. there are no two notes you can play that haven't been played together before. there are no drum patterns that haven't been done before. what hasn't been done before is your interpretation which is the real thing that will make you great or not.
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By maramice Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:17 pm
You know.. you have to listen carefully.. if you listen to dillas/jay dee's beattapes.. you can definetly hear pete rock right there.. and if you are familiarised with pete rock's production, you can hear dilla influence there.. kev brown has lot of dilla type of sound.. so does 9th wonder, he's kinda mix of different producers.. but i don't know.. i still like dilla the most, it's not always the sound of the drums, but very important thing is the programming and how the beat is glued together.. everything fits together like jigsawpuzzle.. and that's not so easy.. you can just sample pete rock drums like kanye but you'll never be a new pete rock.. programming.. that takes you years to learn. that's why i love jay dee's production more than pete rock's.. it's the programming
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By wisdom7 Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:34 am
everybeatmaker got his own soul.....and even if ya try to imitate or rebuild a 9th wonder j dilla or pete rock track it wont sound like one of them it ll sound like you sound.....
listen to 9th wonder....he said in a interview that a lot of producers had influenced his production style.....like pete rock inspired him on the drumz or j dilla on the bassline....
so for me personaly there's nothin wrong if you are inspired by other top producers in the game....
and think back to the days when pete rock discovered the low End Theory ....a lot of cats usin this technique now a days....so do we bite p.r. when we usin this techniq ?
just be creative and mix differents styles together so you ll get ya own...
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thats my opinion

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