Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By peezie Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:02 am
No it's not. Mpc just does not work that way. dont fight it noob.

concepts wrote: The note repeat method is a form of after-touch though, and i am guessing this is the same method used on the newer mpc with loop points? Or are the new mpcs after-touch equipped?
By concepts Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:01 am
If you look in the manual the note repeat feature is under after touch. Keyboard after touch works the same way, but its a loop point instead of a note repeat, they dont have a samples that are infinitely long. This after touch loop feature is on the newer mpc. Just because they dont have the loop feature and they dont transfer after touch through midi doesnt mean they dont have it.
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By Something Like That Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:03 am
peezie wrote:No it's not. Mpc just does not work that way. dont fight it noob.

concepts wrote: The note repeat method is a form of after-touch though, and i am guessing this is the same method used on the newer mpc with loop points? Or are the new mpcs after-touch equipped?




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By 64hz Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:04 pm
Even when i click the link it wont show :?
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By Robbinson Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:04 pm
If after touch is refering to the pressure sensative response then yes The MPC 60 has that.
If it is refering to something different that I am not picking up in your question then ignore this.

But it does have a pressure sensative response - and a full range response button.
If that differs from your MPC then please explain a lil' more - maybe I am not understanding the question. Or hopefully I answered you to what you are looking for.
By peezie Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:04 pm
Do the test I mentioned. It doesn't work in the true sense of after touch. After touch will change the sound without releasing the note, hence the name AFTERtouch. Note repeat only changes sound character AFTER the release and next note played. I dont care what akai called it 20 years ago. It's not after touch. If you dont believe me, prove to me that you can do this on your mpc.
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By peezie Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:06 pm
No $hit mpc has pressure response. but thats not after touch.

Robbinson wrote:If after touch is refering to the pressure sensative response then yes The MPC 60 has that.
If it is refering to something different that I am not picking up in your question then ignore this.

But it does have a pressure sensative response - and a full range response button.
If that differs from your MPC then please explain a lil' more - maybe I am not understanding the question. Or hopefully I answered you to what you are looking for.
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By Robbinson Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:17 pm
After touch is better described as Note Repeat -

It is best used for Drum Rolls, Repeating - note drum patterns , and repeating keyboard notes.

This is used in real time while recording or playing. Press and hold the TIME CORRECT while in PLAY , OVERDUB, or RECORD modes. The top line of the play or record screen will change to === (Hold pads or keys to repeat) ===

While holding the TIME CORRECT BUTTON also hold the drum pad assigned to the note you wish to repeat - varying pressure as you hold it - You should hear repeating 1/16 notes at various volumes (depending on the pressure applied).

Press MAIN SCREEN to return to PLAY/RECORD mode.

This will automatically enter overdub mode.

While holding TIMING CORRECT, also hold the pad assigned to the snare drum, varying the pressure this should apply the same effect and dynamics.

The same prcedure can also be used exactly the same way when recording keyboard sequences. But in order to get the varying pressure technique , you will need to use a keyboard that sends channel pressure messages.


I hope this is helpful. It took me a minute to relaize what the question was actually stating but, I figred it out. The Note repeat is the same as after touch. It is not called after touch it is called Note repeat.
If this is not what you are looking for then please disregard.

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By peezie Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:28 pm
That's definiltey not after touch. Akai fukced up on that

Robbinson wrote:After touch is better described as Note Repeat -


"Aftertouch is MIDI data sent when pressure is applied to a keyboard after the key has been struck, and while it is being held down or sustained. Aftertouch is often routed to control vibrato, volume, and other parameters."

the diagram above shows mpc having channel pressure aftertouch, but it still doesnt work like it's supposed to. You still have to wait for the next note.

http://www.kvraudio.com/wiki/?id=aftertouch
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By mikolo Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:45 pm
as far as im aware after touch on the mpc range is for pad control of external gear, the internal sounds do not respond to after touch, although the pads transmit it - the exceptions to this are the JJ os2 for 1000 and 2500 (and maybe the 4000, which i havent used) where after touch can also modulate the internal sounds.

edit: ok, just checked on my 60 and on my 1000 by recording into cubase, the 1000 transmits the aftertouch and cubase records it as polypressure, when i play on the 60 cubase only registers note on/off and velocity, ive been through all the menus too and the 60 doesnt seem to be an aftertouch out on/off either like the 1000 has.
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By Robbinson Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:00 pm
[quote="peezie"]That's definiltey not after touch. Akai fukced up on that



"Aftertouch is MIDI data sent when pressure is applied to a keyboard after the key has been struck, and while it is being held down or sustained. Aftertouch is often routed to control vibrato, volume, and other parameters."

Correct - That is exactly what Note Repeat does. The velocity level of each repeating note is set by the current pressure applied to the drum pad or key being played (if your keyboard has channel pressure capability). to demonstrate this effect.

It as well is used to create precise drum rolls - repeating note drum patterns - and Repeating keyboard notes.
So can we say that the Note repeat feature is the same as After-touch ?
Or can we say that Note Repeat is not the same as After-touch being that it is best used for drums and precise timing effects. But it does have a channel pressure feature.
I think they are one in the same.

But refering to the question - Does the MPC have After-touch ?
The answer is Yes. According to our refrences.
As for the vibrato - That is a keyboard function alone I configure. The MPC does not have that feature unless it is hooked up to a foot switch.

Mikolo said it better - That the internal sounds can be manipualeted through after-touch as a keyboard functions only onthe 1000 and 2500 Models. The MPC 60 & 3000 need some external gear to get that desired effect - Refering to vibrato and sustanance as a keyboard has.

I believe that Note Repeat is the earlier introduction to after-touch - But is not the entire effect of what after-touch can implement. Being that the MPC 60 and 3000 models are the first of all MPC's - They implemented the ill one in the later MPC's - excluding the 2000 models. But it all has to deal with tweeking your own sounds. This feature is obselete unless you know really what notes you really want to play in.

I called my peeps at the Lab and they helped me better understand how to explain this feat. On the 60''s and 3000's they are much older. They didn't implement anything up to date as far as after-touch on internal sounds into these models - Mainly because production wasn't at that point in 1985 - 93. But when they introduced the newer versions ( 2500 & 1000 ) they made sure to make those a little better for midi producton. That's why they have it and the older models are without. But as for basic to well advanced midi controls - The 60 mods are fit to wreck with any of them.

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