Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By scd Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:12 pm
A correction to the dudes post:

You can easily tune a whole program by assigning a Q link to it.
And synth presets can be loaded from a folder, you are not forced to do that one by one. Autoload works like a charm. The way he describes it isn't real.
His remark about automatically assigning samples when changing pads: good point.
His crash report: he should contact Akai first I should say.

The guy has a few good points, but is also making elephants out of bugs (the small creatures) as we say here in the Netherlands.

And the 4k was MUCH buggier when it came out than the 5k. No doubt.
Yes, you can argue the name 5k, but Akai never advertized the 5k being the successor of the 4k, it was/is advertized as the todays flagship, which it is.
Yes, the OS can be improved, yes there are bugs, but it is much less worse than this guy is suggesting.
And besides that, the OS *will* be improved and bugs *will* be solved. I find his blogpost destructive and unfair.
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By Askia Shaheed Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:32 pm
Tha S Ence wrote:The point JB is getting at is. If you made a flagship already, the way to go is to improve what the flagship already does. Not take 5 steps back. yeah the 4000 had bugs but now they are fixed. so moving forward you would keep all the features the 4000 had, 2000xl had, 3000, and so on. Why have a brand new buggy machine? that doesnt make any sense!

YOU MUST LERR ER ERN - KRS


I think people often expect too much from a product....including me with all my feature request threads. But if Akai included everything I requested, this would be the best MPC they or anyone else has ever created but would probably also cost a lot of money. Most of the people in this forum probably wouldn't be able to afford such a device...as was the case with the MPC 4000 when it was released. If I recall correctly....an MPC 4000 with a hard drive, CDRW drive, 8 analog out, ADAT output, and memory upgrade will have cost you close to $4000.

Anyway....I don't think anyone including Akai will argue that an OS update is warranted as soon as they can release a stable one. I am torn whether the JJ method of releasing a beta OS every week is a good thing but apparently, most people in the forum (that don't own the MPC 5000) would much rather have Akai do the same thing.

Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By justblaze Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:57 pm
scd wrote:A correction to the dudes post:

You can easily tune a whole program by assigning a Q link to it.
And synth presets can be loaded from a folder, you are not forced to do that one by one. Autoload works like a charm. The way he describes it isn't real.
His remark about automatically assigning samples when changing pads: good point.
His crash report: he should contact Akai first I should say.

The guy has a few good points, but is also making elephants out of bugs (the small creatures) as we say here in the Netherlands.

And the 4k was MUCH buggier when it came out than the 5k. No doubt.
Yes, you can argue the name 5k, but Akai never advertized the 5k being the successor of the 4k, it was/is advertized as the todays flagship, which it is.
Yes, the OS can be improved, yes there are bugs, but it is much less worse than this guy is suggesting.
And besides that, the OS *will* be improved and bugs *will* be solved. I find his blogpost destructive and unfair.


someone apparently misunderstood some things.. and maybe i didnt make myself clear on certain points...

not real? ill address this later when i have time..
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By elektrik_muz Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:21 am
scd wrote:And besides that, the OS *will* be improved and bugs *will* be solved. I find his blogpost destructive and unfair.


Yeah, sure they'll be solved. Just like that critical file corruption issue with the last three models that was discovered and reported over three years ago.

Oh wait, they didn't solve that one yet.
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By BIG LARRY Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:28 am
Man, you can tune a whole program at once on a 1k w/ JJOS.
You can't w/ the Akai OS. You gotta pitch each pad separately & that's just pitch!!
What if you want to add a little low pass to the 1st chop & it sounds ill?
Get ready to do it 15 or more times unless you have JJOS.
They are retarded for not implementing that.
Someone posted on Just's blog... "Can't you just pitch the sample up +0.30 before you chop it?"
Yeah, of course, but you never see that coming until you start playing the chops on the pads & molding your beat.
To be fair I use to use the select "whole" option under the program edit screen for pitch allot when I 1st got the JJOS.
Now, I use the slider over the whole program for my pitch.
However, I use the select "whole" program to change filters & other things like mono/poly EVERYTIME.
I used to do this on the MTV Music Generator on PS1 !!!
I just can't believe the 4K is the only MPC to ever have it! (unless JJOS has came to your house for a visit)

Honestly, I bought everything but Akai just to be different & the ASR-X blows many MPC's being made today away.
More features & just way better sound.
The only problem w/ it was it's so old the processing of any sound takes forever & the pads would be dirt on a used 1.
The Yamaha RS-7000 was in my setup for awhile, it had the features, but the pads sucked bad & it's sound was horrible 2 me.
Well not that bad I guess. I mean it sounds like the MPC1K.
This is what I have now & it doesn't sound good to me sound quality wise.
I was going to buy either the MV8800 or the MPC5000 tonight.
I wish either could do 24/96. That would get me off the fence.
If the MPC5K truly does sound the same as the 1K I won't be pleased.
I may go Roland, as a brand they seem to make shit that don't break easily.
I really wanted a 4K, but I can't find anything in absolute mint condition which is what I want.


If the post above really is Just Blaze the review of the MPC5K doesn't upset me.
The fact that you think Fight Night is a better game then Mike Tyson's Punch Out is unforgivable!!!!!
Best game ever bar none !!!

Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By ONE Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:58 am
The fact of the matter is...when you buy a product you expect it to work 100%

Who buys products expecting it to not work properly, have bugs, and have it not work as advertised?

Granted, in this day and age of computers and related technology we've grown accustomed to certain electronics not working properly when they are released and many of us have grown complacent. But seriously...we shouldn't accept this BS as consumers.

When a product is released it should be 100% functional. You shouldn't have to make sure you have access to the internet for constant updates...and be bug testing for years until the machine is actually working as advertised. The bug testing should be done and completed BEFORE release...not after.

Dropping $2500 on a piece of gear that doesn't properly work in ANY respect...is just wrong.
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By scd Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:41 am
justblaze wrote:
someone apparently misunderstood some things.. and maybe i didnt make myself clear on certain points...

not real? ill address this later when i have time.


Yes, please. I am not afraid to be corrected when wrong. Hope that goes for you too.
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By AWW_NAWW Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:48 am
ONE wrote:The fact of the matter is...when you buy a product you expect it to work 100%
Dropping $2500 on a piece of gear that doesn't properly work in ANY respect...is just wrong.


:idea: cosign :arrow: ^^^
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By Lampdog Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:07 am
AWW_NAWW wrote:
ONE wrote:The fact of the matter is...when you buy a product you expect it to work 100%
Dropping $2500 on a piece of gear that doesn't properly work in ANY respect...is just wrong.


:idea: cosign :arrow: ^^^


And that's the bottom line right there imo.
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Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By scd Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:11 am
ONE wrote:The fact of the matter is...when you buy a product you expect it to work 100%

Who buys products expecting it to not work properly, have bugs, and have it not work as advertised?

Granted, in this day and age of computers and related technology we've grown accustomed to certain electronics not working properly when they are released and many of us have grown complacent. But seriously...we shouldn't accept this BS as consumers.

When a product is released it should be 100% functional. You shouldn't have to make sure you have access to the internet for constant updates...and be bug testing for years until the machine is actually working as advertised. The bug testing should be done and completed BEFORE release...not after.

Dropping $2500 on a piece of gear that doesn't properly work in ANY respect...is just wrong.


You are right: one expects a new product to work 100%. So did every member of Akai involved and every beta tester after many months of beta testing. And when that day was there the buglist contained three or four very little minor things not even worth mentioning. So, on THAT moment it was working 100% in experience, so it was released.

But you also have to be real: you just know that when 1000s of people start using such a complicated machine in a 1000 different ways new bugs/feature requests will popup. That is unavoidable. Personally I don't think that is unforgivable if the company will fix those bugs asap. Akai is at the edge of releasing a bugfix update, I am sure.

People expecting that the 5k will exactly work like the 3, 2.5, 2 etc. are dumb. A new machine should work like the *manual* says. Check that out before you complain. And if a few things were overseen that are in the manual but do not work properly: again, bad, but not the end of the world as long as Akai will fix it in a speedy way.

My whole point is, thing are exaggerated. This forum seems to have a degree in doing that.

And if you read my initial post: I also said the guy has some *valid* points. Definately. But it's the tone that makes the music.

You tell me what else Akai should have done? If one doesn't believe in the skills of their engineers beforehand they should not be on this forum in the first place and should not buy Akai products.

If you think their skills are good and you buy a product from them and it turns out that it has important bugs/missing features that are in the manual: contact them first and give them a chance to repair within a reasonable time.
But nothing of all that is happening here :roll:

And if you are a famous guy like the Blaze boy seems to be, kids look up to him and take his word for it much more important than anyone else's, so what he says about a product can have great impact on sales. He has a full right to say whatever he likes, but I have a full right to discuss that and I do that because I disagree with parts of it and tone of the message.

He posted that I misunderstood things, like I posted that he misunderstood things. Well, I will wait for correction.

Boele

Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By justblaze Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:48 am
scd wrote:
justblaze wrote:
someone apparently misunderstood some things.. and maybe i didnt make myself clear on certain points...

not real? ill address this later when i have time.


Yes, please. I am not afraid to be corrected when wrong. Hope that goes for you too.


yep.. difference is.. im not wrong lol

Re: Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

By ONE Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:49 am
scd wrote:
ONE wrote:The fact of the matter is...when you buy a product you expect it to work 100%

Who buys products expecting it to not work properly, have bugs, and have it not work as advertised?

Granted, in this day and age of computers and related technology we've grown accustomed to certain electronics not working properly when they are released and many of us have grown complacent. But seriously...we shouldn't accept this BS as consumers.

When a product is released it should be 100% functional. You shouldn't have to make sure you have access to the internet for constant updates...and be bug testing for years until the machine is actually working as advertised. The bug testing should be done and completed BEFORE release...not after.

Dropping $2500 on a piece of gear that doesn't properly work in ANY respect...is just wrong.


You are right: one expects a new product to work 100%. So did every member of Akai involved and every beta tester after many months of beta testing. And when that day was there the buglist contained three or four very little minor things not even worth mentioning. So, on THAT moment it was working 100% in experience, so it was released.

But you also have to be real: you just know that when 1000s of people start using such a complicated machine in a 1000 different ways new bugs/feature requests will popup. That is unavoidable. Personally I don't think that is unforgivable if the company will fix those bugs asap. Akai is at the edge of releasing a bugfix update, I am sure.

People expecting that the 5k will exactly work like the 3, 2.5, 2 etc. are dumb. A new machine should work like the *manual* says. Check that out before you complain. And if a few things were overseen that are in the manual but do not work properly: again, bad, but not the end of the world as long as Akai will fix it in a speedy way.

My whole point is, thing are exaggerated. This forum seems to have a degree in doing that.

And if you read my initial post: I also said the guy has some *valid* points. Definately. But it's the tone that makes the music.

You tell me what else Akai should have done? If one doesn't believe in the skills of their engineers beforehand they should not be on this forum in the first place and should not buy Akai products.

If you think their skills are good and you buy a product from them and it turns out that it has important bugs/missing features that are in the manual: contact them first and give them a chance to repair within a reasonable time.
But nothing of all that is happening here :roll:

And if you are a famous guy like the Blaze boy seems to be, kids look up to him and take his word for it much more important than anyone else's, so what he says about a product can have great impact on sales. He has a full right to say whatever he likes, but I have a full right to discuss that and I do that because I disagree with parts of it and tone of the message.

He posted that I misunderstood things, like I posted that he misunderstood things. Well, I will wait for correction.

Boele


That really all just sounds like complacency. A $2500 machine that doesn't save properly, crashes, etc. is something that you take back to the store for a refund and get a properly working product in its place. The ONLY reason Akai and other companies can get away with this is because they have a specialized product that you just can't get from anywhere. If the competition was really there...I can bet you Akai and other companies would be way more on-point.

I hope people don't get as complacent when buying new cars. If they start crashing on you....you got serious problems. :lol: You have all the time to wait for a fix when your dead. :twisted:

Now getting off the overly dramatic scenario and back to the real world...what if you needed this machine for a gig, or an important project, or you got a potential client coming through...and the machine just isn't working? Than you potentially have a lot to lose.

The amount of time lost, hair lost, money lost, plus basically paying thousands of dollars to be a beta tester Should never have become acceptable...and frankly...I don't care if you or anyone else has grown to accept it. I'd much rather people have balls, use their voice, and have these companies stop being so shoddy, lazy, and incompetent when it comes to giving us quality product for our money.
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