MPC5000 reviews, bug reports and fellow user support on the most recent standalone, hardware MPC from Akai
By Heavie Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:51 am
I feel Just Blaze is just a another consumer who took the leap and purchase a mpc5k for the look and attraction. But, quoted by him
I really didn’t even expect much, once I realized that it was based on the 2500/1000 architecture and not the 4000 series.
So why compare it to a mpc4000 and why did you buy it, if you didn't expect much other then it's foot print was smaller than the mpc4k and you are short on space.


Here is something else quoted by Just Blaze.
Now I know, whenever you are an early adopter, you are the beta tester, and the rest of the folks will go out and wait for version 2 or something.. I can deal with that. I’m a beta tester by nature. I love playing with things before they become commercially available.


But, he still went on a rant. Now, yes everyone has there opinion. But if you are a beta tester by nature. Than you understand the machine is going to have flaws and you have no other choice but, wait for future update to improve it. Also you being a figure with some overhead call, write or email akai personally and maybe the future upgrade process will speed up. I bet my mpc5k, if akai had gave Just Blaze a free mpc5k. Than there will be a different story and he will be online trying to get everyone to buy one. He will be another RZA with the mv8k. Telling lies he made this and that track on who's album with it.

You know in a perfect world we can purchase anything that's electronic and it will perform perfect right out the box and there will be no need for os or firmware updates. Why you ask? Because, the unit is perfect. But, this is not a perfect world.

I'm not sayin akai is right at what they done so far, but i figure 95% of the people here knows what to expect when they brought there mpcs or any other musical equipment. So if you looking for musical equipment without flaws. Save your money because there won't be none. Manufactures do not include os and firmware update for just new features. It's there for f^ck up aswell. God himself has major flaws, glitches and bugs when he created man and women.


So, to make a long story short, as we done many times before. Lets just wait and see what becomes of the mpc5k.
By tomazzzi Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:57 am
A $2500 machine that doesn't save properly, crashes, etc


I v no problem with the sav fonction at ALL !! Same for the crash ....never ....

I don t know if this guy ( just blaze ) knows how to use an MPC but this review is 50% bullshit..


But, he still went on a rant. Now, yes everyone has there opinion. But if you are a beta tester by nature. Than you understand the machine is going to have flaws and you have no other choice but, wait for future update to improve it. Also you being a figure with some overhead call, write or email akai personally and maybe the future upgrade process will speed up. I bet my mpc5k, if akai had gave Just Blaze a free mpc5k. Than there will be a different story and he will be online trying to get everyone to buy one. He will be another RZA with the mv8k. Telling lies he made this and that track on who's album with it.


can t be more agree
By Spirit Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:15 am
I don't think it's really viable to give Akai any leeway when it comes to updating an os, fixing bugs, or feature requests simply because they don't have a great track record with those kinda things.

Bug fixes tend to be bare minimum efforts and you only have to look at the list of OS updates for the 2500 to see how highly they regard continual development of a product.

To me as an end user it seems like the brand is being managed badly - too much emphasis on attempting to lock people into a platform with low spec products yet with a confused upgrade path of mid range and flagship models that don't really live up to their predecessors capabilities.

It's 2008, why haven't akai released something like bluebox or ak.sys for the 2500 or 1000 etc themselves?

...and I can *just* about put up with having to buy an 'akai' memory module - *just* :evil: , but an Akai branded DVD drive? I swear it has to be gold plated on the inside due to the price - so I don't think so... taking the p*ss is one thought that springs to mind.

It's not like the MPC is an open ended system either - I'd be a little more forgiving if there were all kinds of 3rd party developers involved but even microsoft has a better track record of bug fixes and os developments than akai lol :D

The more grumpy and disgruntled users akai leave on forums like this the likelihood of a decrease in new customers will grow - the mpc is already being 'stabbed in the back' by the MPD controllers anyways so it's future is a tad uncertain to say the least...
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By MPC-Tutor Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:19 am
I see both sides of this. I do understand that any product like this will undoubtably contain bugs, regardless of how stringent the beta testing is so it is unreasonable to expect perfection when the product is first released; as an early adopter you know this (as Just Blaze does point out).

What I feel concerns people is how fast Akai are going to fix this - is it going to be 6 months like the recent update for the 500? With no official word from Akai, it's hard for customers to do anything but get anxious, especially after spending all that money. Hence why so many begin to rant and rave.

It would really help for Akai to make a statement about this, just to ease people's concerns. If people know an update is imminent, you can bet the whole tone of conversation on this forum will change.

Ultimately I feel the 5000 is potentially a great product, but the OS isn't quite there yet - with a good OS update, it will deservedly sit as the flagship MPC product and I know that I will prefer to use it over all other MPCs in my studio.

I also think that the comparisons to the 4000 should stop, it's a waste of time comparing the current MPC range to the 4000 which was basically just a Z-series sampler with pads.
By ONE Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:45 am
Tutor, the thing is...we know what to expect cause we are experienced users of differing degrees. However, when Akai puts out a product on the market and claims that it's a great alternative to buggy software....and that same product is just as....or even more buggy....not only that, but way more expensive than any software I've seen...It's a huge misrepresentation.

Now, knowing their history...it could take a year or two before that claim of being bugless is even near true. It's not fair to consumers to have to wait that long whether they are knowing of Akai's practices/history or not for Akai to come through on their initial claims about their product.

Akai, and any other company could very well put more time and effort into doing more thorough beta testing. Seriously, it only took JB and many other users a night or a few days to notice various issues....why would it be so extremely difficult for Akai to hire people to do the same thing....just use their machines plain and simple....report back to Akai the findings, so they can take some time to fix the major bugs before release?
By tomazzzi Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:47 am
It would really help for Akai to make a statement about this, just to ease people's concerns. If people know an update is imminent, you can bet the whole tone of conversation on this forum will change.


That s true, the main AKAI problem is " COMMUNICATION "
I understand they do not take part of this forum considering the whole tone but they should at least comunicate on their web site and answer to the email customers are sending them !!!!

I also think that the comparisons to the 4000 should stop, it's a waste of time comparing the current MPC range to the 4000 which was basically just a Z-series sampler with pads


Yes yes & yes

when Akai puts out a product on the market and claims that it's a great alternative to buggy software....and that same product is just as....or even more buggy..


I didn t noticed any bug on the synth itself ( AKAI claimed the SYNTH as an alternative to buggy soft )

Akai, and any other company could very well put more time and effort into doing more thorough beta testing. Seriously, it only took JB and many other users a night or a few days to notice various issues....why would it be so extremely difficult for Akai to hire people to do the same thing....just use their machines plain and simple....report back to Akai the findings, so they can take some time to fix the major bugs before release?


Beta testing take time, i personnaly prefer getting my machine quiclky with some minor bugs than wait 6 month for the whole testing to be done...
Once again, i work with the mpc more than 3 hours a day & no bug is stoping me to work.
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By scd Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:59 am
justblaze wrote:
scd wrote:
justblaze wrote:
someone apparently misunderstood some things.. and maybe i didnt make myself clear on certain points...

not real? ill address this later when i have time.


Yes, please. I am not afraid to be corrected when wrong. Hope that goes for you too.


yep.. difference is.. im not wrong lol


You are about loading synth presets and tuning internal programs.
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By scd Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:06 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:I see both sides of this. I do understand that any product like this will undoubtably contain bugs, regardless of how stringent the beta testing is so it is unreasonable to expect perfection when the product is first released; as an early adopter you know this (as Just Blaze does point out).

What I feel concerns people is how fast Akai are going to fix this - is it going to be 6 months like the recent update for the 500? With no official word from Akai, it's hard for customers to do anything but get anxious, especially after spending all that money. Hence why so many begin to rant and rave.


An update is around the corner.
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By scd Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:17 am
ONE wrote:Tutor, the thing is...we know what to expect cause we are experienced users of differing degrees. However, when Akai puts out a product on the market and claims that it's a great alternative to buggy software....and that same product is just as....or even more buggy....not only that, but way more expensive than any software I've seen...It's a huge misrepresentation.


I am not aware of *any* important bug on the synth-part.
By justblaze Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:51 am
Heavie wrote:I feel Just Blaze is just a another consumer who took the leap and purchase a mpc5k for the look and attraction. But, quoted by him
I really didn’t even expect much, once I realized that it was based on the 2500/1000 architecture and not the 4000 series.
So why compare it to a mpc4000 and why did you buy it, if you didn't expect much other then it's foot print was smaller than the mpc4k and you are short on space.


Here is something else quoted by Just Blaze.
Now I know, whenever you are an early adopter, you are the beta tester, and the rest of the folks will go out and wait for version 2 or something.. I can deal with that. I’m a beta tester by nature. I love playing with things before they become commercially available.


But, he still went on a rant. Now, yes everyone has there opinion. But if you are a beta tester by nature. Than you understand the machine is going to have flaws and you have no other choice but, wait for future update to improve it. Also you being a figure with some overhead call, write or email akai personally and maybe the future upgrade process will speed up. I bet my mpc5k, if akai had gave Just Blaze a free mpc5k. Than there will be a different story and he will be online trying to get everyone to buy one. He will be another RZA with the mv8k. Telling lies he made this and that track on who's album with it.

You know in a perfect world we can purchase anything that's electronic and it will perform perfect right out the box and there will be no need for os or firmware updates. Why you ask? Because, the unit is perfect. But, this is not a perfect world.

I'm not sayin akai is right at what they done so far, but i figure 95% of the people here knows what to expect when they brought there mpcs or any other musical equipment. So if you looking for musical equipment without flaws. Save your money because there won't be none. Manufactures do not include os and firmware update for just new features. It's there for f^ck up aswell. God himself has major flaws, glitches and bugs when he created man and women.


So, to make a long story short, as we done many times before. Lets just wait and see what becomes of the mpc5k.
By Heavie Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:57 am
I think akai and other companies think of the cunsumers as idiots and maybe they're right we are. The consumers are always after the latest and greatest and that sometimes bites us in the ass.

I going to use myself as a example. In my signature I own all these machines and they all do the same thing, but in different ways. If I was smart I could have stop buying mpcs after my first mpc, the mpc2k. The mpc2k work fine for me with only one problem and that was the display screen. I replaced it myself.

The mpc4k came around the corner and the mpc2k was out the door. I was a early buyer and witness the bugs with the mpc4k. Also the hard drive died on it. I waited with everyone else for the new updates until now.

Now I have a mpc5k and times has repeated it self like the release of the mpc4k. A lot of people are upset because once again they spent there hard earned money on a mpc that has bugs and issue and not compatible with there older mpc data.

So now we wait by the pc to check akai's website for updates and rant about the mpc5000. Then 2, 4, or 6 years will go by and a new mpc will show up and it will be at namm, on youtube and akai's website. We will lust after it and purchase it. After getting it, we go thru the whole setup, saying the mpc5k is such a great mpc. A legend for any mpc user to own, because the new mpc9000 with 32 pads, 10 pad banks, a feature to automatically chop and clear your sample from the original artists wifi thru the web and a voice sounding display to tell you, your tracks sound very weak. Is released with major bugs and crashes.

Only we as consumer, can stop the trend of these companies. If you and I stop buying. These companies will release products without many glitches and fast updates for the products with glitches.
By justblaze Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:00 am
Heavie wrote:I feel Just Blaze is just a another consumer who took the leap and purchase a mpc5k for the look and attraction. But, quoted by him
I really didn’t even expect much, once I realized that it was based on the 2500/1000 architecture and not the 4000 series.
So why compare it to a mpc4000 and why did you buy it, if you didn't expect much other then it's foot print was smaller than the mpc4k and you are short on space.


Here is something else quoted by Just Blaze.
Now I know, whenever you are an early adopter, you are the beta tester, and the rest of the folks will go out and wait for version 2 or something.. I can deal with that. I’m a beta tester by nature. I love playing with things before they become commercially available.


But, he still went on a rant. Now, yes everyone has there opinion. But if you are a beta tester by nature. Than you understand the machine is going to have flaws and you have no other choice but, wait for future update to improve it. Also you being a figure with some overhead call, write or email akai personally and maybe the future upgrade process will speed up. I bet my mpc5k, if akai had gave Just Blaze a free mpc5k. Than there will be a different story and he will be online trying to get everyone to buy one. He will be another RZA with the mv8k. Telling lies he made this and that track on who's album with it.

You know in a perfect world we can purchase anything that's electronic and it will perform perfect right out the box and there will be no need for os or firmware updates. Why you ask? Because, the unit is perfect. But, this is not a perfect world.

I'm not sayin akai is right at what they done so far, but i figure 95% of the people here knows what to expect when they brought there mpcs or any other musical equipment. So if you looking for musical equipment without flaws. Save your money because there won't be none. Manufactures do not include os and firmware update for just new features. It's there for f^ck up aswell. God himself has major flaws, glitches and bugs when he created man and women.


So, to make a long story short, as we done many times before. Lets just wait and see what becomes of the mpc5k.


why did i buy it? because I can..
and if i dont like it, throw it in the closet and not care.. like i said the $ spent is nothing. i can spend that on sneakers in 5 minutes.. my issue was the principle.

why did i buy it #2?
because I was curious.
like i said.. didnt exepct much. just did not expect it to be as bad as it was. there is such a thing as not expecting much, but expecting it to work.

and why compare it to the 4000?
well let's see.. that was this company's flagship machine... and this isssss..... their new flagship machine maybe?
what am i going to compare it to? an asr-10?

me being a beta tester by nature:
yes i am.. and if you read the full statement, i also referred to the fact that most of the products i have beta tested were products that had not been released. the 4000 had bugs when it came out, yes. but they were miniscule in comparison to my experience with the 5000 and did not take away from my overall workflow.

i bet my blah blah blah that if akai had given..:
did you read the bottom of my post? akai had actually just called me (for the 2nd time) not long ago in regards to doing something for the mpc and i just hadnt gotten back to them.. like i said when i walked by guitar center i just got the urge and made an impulse buy. and was disappointed by the purchase.

ive turned down many a product placement opportunity if i didnt like the gear, for the record. Hell i turned down 2 last week. Contrary to what many of you probably think. most of these companies do NOT pay a ton of money for these endorsement deals. many times these deals consist of a little money and a LOT of gear.. specifically whatever gear you may be advertising. remember these aren't GAP ads.. most of these companies sell niche gear to a niche audience, so there's never a lot of money involved. So if I don't like the gear, why bother taking some pictures for a company posing with gear that you dont like and could probably easily afford yourself anyway, especially since they aren't paying you much to do so. Now that's not to say that was the case with akai, but that is my principle in general.
Point is: i'm not going to sit there and take pictures to convince consumers to buy something I don't particularly like myself. Now if they came with a HUGE check. i might have to sell out a little bit lol :D j/k.. kinda.

I've bought 85% of the gear i own. and that is the gear you see in my youtube videos, etc. most of that free stuff? it's sitting somewhere.. sometimes i really just dont feel like jumping through hoops to get a free beatbox or some shit. I can just go buy it. So if you ever see me endorsing something... it's something i either a)actually use or b)think that it is a good product for the targeted consumer.

why didn't i write a letter to akai?
i actually did.. it just happened to be an open letter..
say you are a CEO or a president, or a lead designer or something.. what is going to light more fire under you to get your product in order? a prominent influential producer placing a courtesy call to say he doesn't like your recent release? or that same producer using stating this opinion publicly and using his reach to bring it some serious light for all to see and discuss.. think effectively dude. not comparing this situation to something as serious as hurricane katrina, but what if kanye just called the white house and got a secretary and left a message that he thought bush didnt like black people as opposed to saying it on national tv?

I don't want to see akai fail and go out of business, on the contrary I want them to GET IT RIGHT! I have bought just about every keyboard, beatbox, groovebox, sound module etc. that ever existed at one point up until about 6 years ago. most of them right when they were released. maybe soe of you guys are younger and don't have the same experience i do.. but I never really had these kind of problems during the days when i was buying gear left and right. And if i did come across something it was somethign small or annoying that did not stop my workflow. Not only is this machine bug ridden, but some of the general concepts in how they expect you to be able to work (i.e. synth implementation) were clearly not thought out well.

I think maybe the arrival of the software age has really affected a lot of things in the hardware market. more so than some ppl realize. and i think I'm actually going to take JBTV off of hiatus and speak on this and a few other points on this topic. i cant type anymore. on that note.. look out for the video.

And oh yeah.. to the other guy.. I know you can "tune" a program using the Q-link.. however, my friend. if you look at what it's doing, it's actually transposing it. not "fine tuning" it.. and if you read what i wrote more clearly, you'd see that is what i was referring to.

Oh yeah #2. i know you can load programs from a folder.. HOWEVER, if you read what i said again.. i never said that was actually the problem. and i think i spoke on this pretty clearly But let me clarify for you. here is my problem: Lets say the 5k ships with 500 synth patches, you can only use up to 128 of them. so my CHOICE was to load them one by one because WHEN I LOADED THE ENTIRE FOLDER i was only able to load a few folders at a time because i was running out of program memory left and right. So at that point you really need to just go one by one, try a sound, see if you like it and if not delete it right away. You could go folder by folder, and ultimately it is a matter of preference, but going folder by folder and constantly running out of program memory will probably end up being even MORE of a headache. my point is.. NEITHER ONE IS CONDUCIVE TO BEING ABLE TO ACESS SOUNDS QUICKLY AND EASILY AND FIND THE ONES THAT FIT WHAT YOU ARE WORKING ON.
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By 64hz Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:14 am
Wow JB you make that thing sound like my 60mk1.... only difference is that i knew i wasnt getting anything for the money i payed :P
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By Coz Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:21 am
So if you ever see me endorsing something... it's something i either a) actually use or b) think that it is a good product for the targeted consumer.


Or c) They came with a HUGE check so I had to sell out a little bit! :wink:
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By Askia Shaheed Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:25 am
justblaze wrote:
me being a beta tester by nature:
yes i am.. and if you read the full statement, i also referred to the fact that most of the products i have beta tested were products that had not been released. the 4000 had bugs when it came out, yes. but they were miniscule in comparison to my experience with the 5000 and did not take away from my overall workflow.



It doesn't really matter if you are Just Blaze or not....but the statement you make about the MPC 4000 is so untrue. The first OS updates for the MPC 4000 had my machine crashing all the time. I don't have the same problem with the MPC 5000.

Also if you are going to rant..at least let the people know what OS you are using and what caused the specific crash if you really care about an OS update. Feel free to use the Bug Thread that is a sticky in the forum.