JJ OS Feature Requests (ARCHIVE)

arebee wrote:hey all, ive been on about this for pure time.

anyone care to shed their thoughts on it, its not a groundbreaker, but it would speed up my liveset capabilites somewhat.

if i get a bit of weight behind it , mbe JJ will implement it....here's a mock up of the screen i imagined.



basically , two new F3 & F4 buttons TR+ / TR- (just as in main screen), AND the active track is shown with FULL outline instead of being dotted, upper left TR number is a new cursor area - updated and corresponds to what's selected as the active track.

fantastic idea!

ive got a WaveIdea Bitstream BS3X, and its got sync24 out on it for hooking up to retro analog/pre midi hardware (202 606 909 etc)....

if JJ could code this sync24 into one of the MPC's extra midi outs as an option in the MIDI/SYNC pages, i'd probably flip.

if its an easy proposition ive no idea, anyone know about this type of stuff? The bs3x seems to be software based - as its updated quite a lot with Firmware, i'm guessing there's no brutal hardware needed, just a digital code stream clock of a certain type, that the old roland type gear needs. mbe JJ could pull it out of the bag!!!, would be beautiful!

arebee wrote:hey all, ive been on about this for pure time.

anyone care to shed their thoughts on it, its not a groundbreaker, but it would speed up my liveset capabilites somewhat.

it's not a bad idea. i wouldn't mind if it was implemented since it wouldn't get in my way, but i'm not sure i would use it that much.

i'm curious why you want this, tho. isn't it faster/easier to just hit the pad you want to mute/unmute instead of scrolling to it with the track -/+ keys?

the solid border around the currently active track is a must, tho. i would go farther and actually make it an even thicker border, like a double thickness line or something.

its not about muting tracks, thats already implemented....

its about being able to hop from track to track making the one i need to be 'active' so i can use the cc's and the qlink in different places through a liveset. as theres lots of effort put into my qlink assigns on tracks, but theyre no use unless i know which track is active, and unless i can get to it quickly, and all the while, remain in track mutes screen to keep the songs going nicely.

arebee wrote:its not about muting tracks, thats already implemented....

its about being able to hop from track to track making the one i need to be 'active' so i can use the cc's and the qlink in different places through a liveset. as theres lots of effort put into my qlink assigns on tracks, but theyre no use unless i know which track is active, and unless i can get to it quickly, and all the while, remain in track mutes screen to keep the songs going nicely.

ah ok, i get it.

i still think it's easier just to hit a pad to select it, tho. how about this:

instead of the +/- tabs, there is one tab called "LOCK" or something that works like a toggle. while this tab is selected, hitting a pad just makes the track active but doesn't effect the MUTE status. hit the LOCK tab again and you can use the mutes as normal. this allows you to jump around non-sequentially.

also, i'm thinking if you wanted to have some external hardware/software spitting out a constant stream of cc values, if you had to scroll from track 1 to 8 then each track inbetween would get it's values a little tweaked as you scrolled by them, which you might not want. better to just hop directly.

Sooty_G wrote:i still think it's easier just to hit a pad to select it,

but i dont see how just hitting a pad in track mutes can select the track to make it the active one? surely it just unmutes/mutes it.

but yeah in general your ideas good - esp. the lock function, but i've gone for the simple approach,

its way more straight fwd to have a visual que (the tr indicator in the top left, and the very clear cell outline being solid), and use just one 'stroke' (tr - /tr +).... to achieve a result of having the track u need become the selected active one - so it can then be quickly tweaked/mashed (depending on how u might use qlinks) by the sliders....all without changing screens, adjusting track numbers, going back to track mutes screen....etc

just my kind of flow really....

simultaneous actions in order to create fully intense musical changes.

arebee wrote:

Sooty_G wrote:i still think it's easier just to hit a pad to select it,

but i dont see how just hitting a pad in track mutes can select the track to make it the active one? surely it just unmutes/mutes it.

maybe i didn't explain it good. what i'm proposing is something new that JJ will have to add to the track mute page (i'm just modifying your proposal a bit).

what i'm saying is there will be 1 new tab at the bottom (lets call it MUTELOCK).
by default it is inactive, and the track mute page functions as normal (hit a pad to mute/unmute).

now, when you activate the MUTELOCK tab, suddenly the page has a new function:
all of your mutes stay as you have them, but now when you hit a pad it makes it the active track.
so it gets the solid border and the number in the upper left shows it as the active track, but it's MUTE status DOES NOT CHANGE when you hit it (it's locked).

so while in this mode, you can bop around & hit pads and each time you do you will make that track you just hit the active track.

now when you want to go and mute/unmute stuff again, you deactivate the MUTELOCK tab at the bottom, and now you are back to the old behavior (hit a pad to mute/unmute tracks).

example: let's say track 1 is currently active & you want to make track 8 active.

the way you proposed you would have to hit the "+" tab 7 times to get to track 8.
the way i propose you would just hit the MUTELOCK tab (if it's not already active) & then hit pad 8.

make sense? just a quicker way to get from point a to b.

maybe "MUTELOCK" is a bad term. maybe it could be called "ACTIVE" mode or something.

hell man, i just thought of something maybe easier to request from JJ:

instead of the whole +/- or MUTELOCK stuff, when in the TRACK MUTE page why not have it so we can just hold the SHIFT key down and hit a pad to make it the active track?

we would still need the thicker border added as well as the active track number in the upper left.

i can't think of any conflicts this would cause, can you?

seems simpler and might be easier for JJ to implement.

...only drawback is this requires 2 hands to perform instead of one (unless you stretch a bit).

Sooty_G wrote:

arebee wrote:

Sooty_G wrote:i still think it's easier just to hit a pad to select it,

but i dont see how just hitting a pad in track mutes can select the track to make it the active one? surely it just unmutes/mutes it.

maybe i didn't explain it good. what i'm proposing is something new that JJ will have to add to the track mute page (i'm just modifying your proposal a bit).

what i'm saying is there will be 1 new tab at the bottom (lets call it MUTELOCK).
by default it is inactive, and the track mute page functions as normal (hit a pad to mute/unmute).

now, when you activate the MUTELOCK tab, suddenly the page has a new function:
all of your mutes stay as you have them, but now when you hit a pad it makes it the active track.
so it gets the solid border and the number in the upper left shows it as the active track, but it's MUTE status DOES NOT CHANGE when you hit it (it's locked).

so while in this mode, you can bop around & hit pads and each time you do you will make that track you just hit the active track.

now when you want to go and mute/unmute stuff again, you deactivate the MUTELOCK tab at the bottom, and now you are back to the old behavior (hit a pad to mute/unmute tracks).

example: let's say track 1 is currently active & you want to make track 8 active.

the way you proposed you would have to hit the "+" tab 7 times to get to track 8.
the way i propose you would just hit the MUTELOCK tab (if it's not already active) & then hit pad 8.

make sense? just a quicker way to get from point a to b.

maybe "MUTELOCK" is a bad term. maybe it could be called "ACTIVE" mode or something.

ok G im with u now - the tab for locking mutes, but i feel its still over complicated, how about if your idea was mod'd a little.....

instead of having to lock up all the mutes, (as to me that hinders the flow i was trying to retain), BUT a button *shift when held - and a pad is hit, that track becomes active.....so theres no stopping the flow with muting unmuting tracks, but when u quickly want one active u hold 'shift' down - tap the pad/track etc,

*OR slightly better: instead of 'shift' - the new tab (Fkey, say F5) u mentioned could be not a lock but an "[active]" button, so holding this down when a pad/track is hit, that track is the active one now.

shit we should defo get this formalised, i'm sure JJ wouldn't have much trouble implementing this.

arebee wrote:*OR slightly better: instead of 'shift' - the new tab (Fkey, say F5) u mentioned could be not a lock but an "[active]" button, so holding this down when a pad/track is hit, that track is the active one now.

yup. that's the one right there. just a tab called ACTIVE right above F5. hold it and hit your pad to make that track active, then release. done.

better than SHIFT cause you got a little display confirmation plus it's a little better ergonomically i think.

just need that, the thicker border for active tracks, and the current track # in the upper left. should be easy to implement for JJ.

yep yep yep.

would be cool, not a big hitter, just a fly flow lover

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think we should both type this up in JJ-speak & email it to him, yeah?

might be better if he gets it from 2 different people. shows more than 1 person wants it and if he can't understand something in 1 email than he's got the other one to fill in the gaps.

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hopefully won't be a flood problem - - - as i understand it: his helper murai handles all the incoming emails. if something seems viable he forwards it to JJ (probably with a little extra japanese annotation to help him understand).

yeah, lets do it, i mean i already tried about the same time i posted this thing a few days ago.....but will try early next week.

u could try whenever u want

cheers

i would personnaly love to be able to mute track witha optionnal key from the track mixer (we already can chose track directly from the track mixer...)

more cc controlled qlink note on/qreal data
74/71 is a great start, but the more the merrier