Thinking about exchanging 5000 for 2500 and some loot

Askia Shaheed wrote:

tomazzzi wrote:

If I was going to upgrade, it would be to the 4000,

I tried the 4000 before i bought the 5000...

Filters are not good on the 4000 as well as fx but they are good on the 5000.

the 4000 workflow is quite a pain compared to the 5000.

The 5000 is very very easy to use & fast to work with.

Of course you have keygroups & 24bit on the 4000 but do you really need them ? i don t ...

I didn t buy the 5000 for it s 8 tracks recorder ( i use a computer to record ) but i find the ability to add complete audio tracks to my beats quite cool !

i dont blame you for wanting to switch after all read the just blaze rant.

This review was not honnest at all for me ...it was all impulsive & without any reflection.

And it s not cause " Mister Just Blaze " don t like it that you have to follow...

You bought an MPC 5000 to do like Just Blaze or for ya ?

I agree.

Do most people need keygroups? While I would like to have this feature in my MPC 5000, I really don't need it in an MPC. Any standalone hardware sampler provides the same features. Even Reasons have a keygroup programming. 24 bit is highly over-rated in a hardware sampler. I say this because the few 24 bit samplers on the market....are the same ones that quickly fizzled out. 16 bit (CD quality) samplers as well as sound modules have stood the test of time.

Of course someone who doesn't do high rez recording, or samples their own ish wouldn't need these features.

And of course the majority of MPC users aren't musicians either. There's features set aside to meet everyones needs based upon which model one chooses. So you are right when you say that most people don't need keygroups, it's a feature set aside for MUSICIANS.

Do most musicians need a sampler to be their main source of composing?...more than likely...no. And do we need 24 bit recording capabilities?...Uh, yeah, this is of course the 21st century you know.

There has to be a source for the masses to sample from, 'cause this whole thing wouldn't be where it is if you didn't have MUSICIANS to lay it down for ya.

But one thing truely stands out in these debates...without MUSICIANS, a majority of folks wouldn't be where they are now.

I do high rez recording & i really don t care the internal MPC treatment is 24 bit !!

I can import my 24 files & i can export my file 24 bits with the 5000 so what s the pb ?

it's a feature set aside for MUSICIANS

rofl

So only musician needs keygroups, pretty weird i don t need them at all as well as many friends who aren t only beat makers trust me ...

Man it really depend what you need and what you ALREADY HAVE !!

Don t generalise with such bullshits !!

A keygroup sampler is not at the top of list of things a musician needs. 24 bit recording in a DAW..yes....In a hardware sampler, no. If 24 bit sampling is needed in a 21st century hardware sampler, then I must wonder why all the new hardware samplers/workstations only sample in 16 bit? Better yet....lets simply discuss all the 24 bit hardware samplers. Other than the discontinued MPC 4000/Z-series samplers, what are the others?

You guys are going way off topic the starter was asking about workflow. He may or may not have changed already or stuck it out to test out the new O.S. but for all this other stuff chill a minute.


this isn`t a 4k vs 5k debate.





Now make some beats and have a nice day.

Guy's, that was a subjective statement I made pertaining to 24 bit recording and not 24 bit sampling. As a matter of fact, I think I'll be going back to some of my roots by doing a few jazz & ballad type compositions featuring myself playing the sax & grand piano (this is where 24 bit is most needed IMO).

I like real instrumentation whenever possible...(it's a root thing). So instead of me sampling everybody else's ish, I like to be 100% ORIGINAL (this helps keep me from infringing on others copy writes & etc).

So why would Akai put full keyboard capabilities (keygroups & 64 note polyphony) on a 24 bit sampler and it not be used for what it was intended for? Of course I understand one can choose to use anything the way they want, but in this instance, it was geared towards whoever wants to stretch out their playing skills a little IMHO.

Anyway, back to the subject...I think if after another o.s. update or two on the 5k, if things don't seem to be working in ones favor, let it go and move on to something else. Everybody is entitled to making mistakes in purchasing gear, just don't let it get you down.

If you wish you state your workflow and sampling techniques here. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=100214

UBANKRECORDS wrote:What yall think. I've never even messed with a 2500 but it's gotta be more stable than the 5000 right now. I can't even free up space on the 5000 after loading samples. It's like once they are loaded they are permanent until you reboot. Does the 2500 have this problem. I was thinking of maybe getting the 2500 and a newer Triton.

U-Bank Records

No offense dude, but first you sold your 4000, now your selling your 5000. You really think its So MUCH different when switching to a 25k ?

Maybe MP:s arent for you, why dont you try out a bunch of different softwares?

Without the JJ Evans.. The 2500 is a watered down 5000. A baby AK47.. Look at the pic! Maybe JJ will make a 5000 OS. Trust me you'll regret it in time. You have to wait it out with Akai's new releases. They always **** up somehow.

dabmeister wrote:Anyway, back to the subject...I think if after another o.s. update or two on the 5k, if things don't seem to be working in ones favor, let it go and move on to something else. Everybody is entitled to making mistakes in purchasing gear, just don't let it get you down.

I used the MPC 3000LE and 2000XL (old Akai) until 2005 when the MPC 2500 (new Akai) was released. The MPC 2500 was superior to both models which is the reason why I got rid of both. Whether I used the official Akai OS or the JJ OS I was completely happy with the MPC 2500. So, if Akai gives me the same support with the MPC 5000 (which I suspect they will), I will be completely happy with this new purchase. I know some of you can't understand why I am happy now. The only way to know is to actually buy and use one.

So....if anyone is unhappy with the MPC 5000 but still want an MPC..simply get yourself an MPC 2500. You also have the option of a used MPC 4000, 2000XL, 2000, etc. You can create music using any of these......all these options are cheaper than a new MPC 5000. Hell...get yourself an ASR-10 and a MPC 2000 so you can get your Kanye West on for under $1000!

Blue Haze wrote:
What`s really important is your music and that you have a comfortable workflow. Peace.

I couldn't agree more blue haze! That's what's up!