Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

If AKAI really is watching then Just Blaze may have just saved them a whole lot of greif , I remember making a comment when they 5000 was first being hyped , I sai something like "u guys really need to get a REAL producer on the machine do give a real demo and real review" coz I remember the demo video's were really shit , now u got this review by one of the best who use the machine I think its time for AKAI to get outta the chair and make sum real moves , theres countless shit missing from the feature list of the 5000 it seems like they're in the 90's with technology on these machines, I mean the OS could have an open part for 3rd party's to code in extra features/effects or sum shit, I dunno , I just feel like theres massive potential in the machine yet its not being exploited

"In a court of law a witness can never untestify and jury can never unhear a witness's testimony."--- Author Michael L. Trice

That said the damage from the rant is serious , far reaching, and indeed permanent. By the time the 5000 is ready for prime time a serious negative vibe will have taken hold moreso than already. You can't fix that.

No matter what updates are released Akai sole purpose should be in reaching those not yet swayed. Very few people are going drop $3000 in today's market with a question mark looming in their head.

Akai should stop watching and get in hear speak to those who hold Akai's future not in their hands - but in their wallets.

*Had to edit - forgot the quotation marks.

I have to agree there... I was psyched about an upgrade from my 1k to the 5k, but given so much bad press I think I'll sit on my 1k for a while longer now. I don't mind buyers remorse on some things, but for $2500 I think I can stand to wait a while.

Dirty J wrote:If AKAI really is watching then Just Blaze may have just saved them a whole lot of greif , I remember making a comment when they 5000 was first being hyped , I sai something like "u guys really need to get a REAL producer on the machine do give a real demo and real review" coz I remember the demo video's were really **** , now u got this review by one of the best who use the machine I think its time for AKAI to get outta the chair and make sum real moves , theres countless **** missing from the feature list of the 5000 it seems like they're in the 90's with technology on these machines, I mean the OS could have an open part for 3rd party's to code in extra features/effects or sum ****, I dunno , I just feel like theres massive potential in the machine yet its not being exploited

i feel what ya saying, especially a lot of the bugs that are being found which are from basic usage

Dirty J wrote:If AKAI really is watching then Just Blaze may have just saved them a whole lot of greif , I remember making a comment when they 5000 was first being hyped , I sai something like "u guys really need to get a REAL producer on the machine do give a real demo and real review" coz I remember the demo video's were really **** , now u got this review by one of the best who use the machine I think its time for AKAI to get outta the chair and make sum real moves , theres countless **** missing from the feature list of the 5000 it seems like they're in the 90's with technology on these machines, I mean the OS could have an open part for 3rd party's to code in extra features/effects or sum ****, I dunno , I just feel like theres massive potential in the machine yet its not being exploited

cosign

They need JJ bad or that kind of coding expertise.
Big ass screen with a bunch of Bull Shit on it. What a waste.

master-ceo wrote:

Dirty J wrote:If AKAI really is watching then Just Blaze may have just saved them a whole lot of greif , I remember making a comment when they 5000 was first being hyped , I sai something like "u guys really need to get a REAL producer on the machine do give a real demo and real review" coz I remember the demo video's were really **** , now u got this review by one of the best who use the machine I think its time for AKAI to get outta the chair and make sum real moves , theres countless **** missing from the feature list of the 5000 it seems like they're in the 90's with technology on these machines, I mean the OS could have an open part for 3rd party's to code in extra features/effects or sum ****, I dunno , I just feel like theres massive potential in the machine yet its not being exploited

cosign

They need JJ bad or that kind of coding expertise.
Big ass screen with a bunch of Bull **** on it. What a waste.

What are the countless missing features of the 5K? And if JJ got his hands on the 5K's OS...what could he add from the JJ OS that would make the 5K a better machine?

Askia Shaheed wrote:What are the countless missing features of the 5K? And if JJ got his hands on the 5K's OS...what could he add from the JJ OS that would make the 5K a better machine?

pong?

Askia ur kidding me right? , first off dont get defensive dude coz I'm a hard MPC user , I've also used software, started with a Roland machine 10 years ago or so , and 10 years from then where I'm at today with an MPC isnt so **** flash , theres features that sum software packages have that totally seal the deal for alot of producers today , how many fruity loops users do u see come to these forums and chat about fruityloops??? , theres heaps , far too many for a forum based on a hardware product, I find that really weird, I've seen threads where people are saying things like "I'm selling my MPC for fruityloops" ... how many MPC users go to fruityloops forums and say "I'm selling my fruity loops for an MPC" ?


something doesnt quite add up there , people are converting to software??? even in this thread I'm seeing shit about Just Blaze himself going software????
what is that telling u? , if the machine cant provide what the end user needs then plain and fuking simply the end user will try something else.....
if the machine cant compete with the features that software have on offer thn the end user chooses software...
this is the competition that the hardware is facing , is that not the truth????
yet the hardware does not offer the amount of features for the the compared price
AKAI NEEDS!!! to listen to the users and fuking build the machine that they want ,
if u paired Just Blaze up with the design team on akai u would have a fuking dope machine with all the shit that everybody here would ever wish for but they dont, instead they put out a half assed product , with buggy software , and if JJ did to thje 5000 what he has done to the other machines it'd improve the OS ...seriously , the mpc2500 JJOS to me is the fuking OS that I would have expected from the machine in the first place, at the moment the 2500 with JJOS is in my opinion the "FLAGSHIP" ...big call but seriously dude knows what needs to be done, this 5000 seems almost like a hit and miss affair


LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AKAI !!!!

If more people had bought the 4k we wouldn't be in this mess! we would have a successor to the 4k which I like.
but they didn't!
I didn;t until it was cheaper second hand.

So in my opinion......
akai change tactics
Akai are a small company and like most small hardware manufacturers now they release hardware before all the bugs are sorted before the ideal OS is written, why?
because they need the cash to stay afloat.
and because there are people who actually don't mind having something a bit sketchy to begin with.

Same in software.
Don't buy the latest OS etc. for 6 months until the bugs are ironed out.

No different here
Manufacturers have been selling products early for years now. Just the way it is.

check out kurzweils Pc3, came out before the 5k but still full of bugs. But Kurzweil have more publicly acknowledged them. The other alternative is a manufacture hold features out of a unit like the fantom g (multisampling was held back to user uproar) until ready.

you can only really judge a piece of software or hardware many months after release. Otherwise you are just recording a bug fix list which is probably coming anyway. So its a surprise so many people are hating akai for this.

touch screens will make alot of the hardware stuff more difficult to sell as they allow software programmers to go further with the u.i.
a traditional hardware advantage, I have already got 2 sequencers on my iphone and its interesting to see how its used. It can't be that long before we see a proper touch screen laptop. Then will I still want to use an mpc???? we will see.

I think akai got it wrong with the 5k too.
But then I also think rolands mv is also flawed.
never happy.
over to the linn now
g

foge1 wrote:you can only really judge a piece of software or hardware many months after release. Otherwise you are just recording a bug fix list which is probably coming anyway. So its a surprise so many people are hating akai for this.

Then you must not be particularly familiar with Akai's (especially recent) track record here. Yes, most machines have bugs to some degree when first released that get ironed out. Contrast that with Akai who have knowingly sold devices both with unstable hardware and critically flawed operating systems literally for years without admitting to or fixing the problems (and the jury is still out as to whether or not they've really fixed the faulty file formatting in the previous machines).

If there really is a greater "hatred" for Akai as opposed to other gear makers it is directly proportional to their own levels of incompetence and/or outright dishonestly. Nobody to blame but themselves.

^^^^^ damn co-sign it should be embaressing for them

when i first bought my mpc 1k BRAND NEW (black model). i couldnt even save things in an entire folder oh and forget about loading everything in that folder at one time no no no siree. i have the mpc for a few days until i switch to jj and never looked back. oh and knowingly putting out a faulty product even after a case revision (from red to black) is absolute bullsh*t. the mpc 1k that i took home that was brand new i had to return the same day because of faulty pads. So fu*k akai i will certainly never buy from them anything brand new id much rather buy second hand so that way i know they arent getting a single penny from me, which is what i did when i got my 2500.

i mean dont get me wrong i love my MACHINE to death but not the company that is behind it.

Dirty J wrote:Askia ur kidding me right?

No I am not kidding. I asked a question and I will be happy to repeat again.

What are the all the missing features of the MPC 5K? What feattures has JJ implemented that should be in the MPC 5000? What features of the MPC 4000 needs to be implemented in the MPC 5000? (with the exception of keygroups, higher sample rates...those are obvious)....

bugs? how the physical inferior design of the latest NUAKAI jawns? defective pads - Tool Data wheel - cheap overall feels -


how that? no OS can fix the cheap tool feel of these jawns.


just dont support this new small company, if anything since they are small they shud have thier *ish together, especially on the physical aspect of it all.

just imagine the poor saps that paid 1k more for a LE version of the 2500. lol talk about getting jerked!!

blablabla blablabla

Stop your bullshits please, i don t think most of you guys own an MPC 5000 so you have nothing clever to add to this forum.

Just Blaze s review was all impulsive & 50% wrong. ( some points are true but there s a lot of mistakes )

Also he doesn t even want to update his MPC when there s a new os so how do you want him to see the bug solved ?

Once again i v no real pb with my 5000, it s much more stable than the 2500 & 1000 were when they comes out.

I m really happy with it & it helps me to put my ideas on music faster than any other machine, it fits my needs & workflow so i really don t care Mr Blaze didn t like it.

I never had any freeze or something like that when saving.

I only had like 2 freezes while browsing the samples on the HD ( solved with os 1.02 ) on more than 3 month of dayly use.

I work with the MPC a lot with big projects full of programs : NO PROBLEM ( only a few solvable bugs mentionned in the bug thread ...nothing that can avoid you to make music )

You don t like AKAI, ok, so what are u doing on an MPC forum ?

So please stop it, get a life, don t waste your time with AKAI if you hate them that much !

I hate the MV8800 but never joined their forum, that s something i just can t understand ... !! ( useless & waste of time )

What are the countless missing features of the 5K? And if JJ got his hands on the 5K's OS...what could he add from the JJ OS that would make the 5K a better machine?

Yes guys be at least helpfull, tell us ...

My point about this is :

More programs
Real time streching & pitch shifting
Global Program Edit ( the main Just Blaze pb ....not present on the AKAI 2500 OS either ..)

I can t see anythintg else really usefull not present on the 5000.

For me the JJ OS is about workflow. If the 5k had the JJ OS workflow, I'd be all over it. Getting from one page to another, editing several program parameters at once, better use of screen space to display and edit more parameters without cluttering (far too many parameters hidden in windows on the Akai OS), track overview and cut/copy/paste editing directly in the MAIN screen, the list goes on...

I'm really not the feature type, so I would choose (and have chosen) to keep my 1K over the 5k because of the above.