Just Blaze Rant on the 5000

firework wrote:
just imagine the poor saps that paid 1k more for a LE version of the 2500. lol talk about getting jerked!!

well your math is a little off but i feel like a million bucks.


(old setup) LE all daaayyy

tomazzzi wrote:blablabla blablabla


Just Blaze s review was all impulsive & 50% wrong. ( some points are true but there s a lot of mistakes )

mistakes? where?

tomazzzi wrote:Also he doesn t even want to update his MPC when there s a new os so how do you want him to see the bug solved ?

the bugs arent my biggest problem so bug fixes arent going to change my opinion.

*maybe i should just write a script to say this automatically like every 5 posts.


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justblaze wrote:*maybe i should just write a script to say this automatically like every 5 posts.

Yes, the memories tend to be highly selective on here.

Especially when smooching up to Akai.

Look! It's Just Blaze!!!

justblaze wrote:

tomazzzi wrote:blablabla blablabla


Just Blaze s review was all impulsive & 50% wrong. ( some points are true but there s a lot of mistakes )

mistakes? where?

tomazzzi wrote:Also he doesn t even want to update his MPC when there s a new os so how do you want him to see the bug solved ?

the bugs arent my biggest problem so bug fixes arent going to change my opinion.

*maybe i should just write a script to say this automatically like every 5 posts.


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So if it isn't the bugs....

You just want the MPC 5000 to do everything that the MPC 4000 does.....and more? That's a feature request I can respect.

By the way...I am still waiting for you to buy a Fantom G so you can create another rant blog. I want the Fantom G to do everything the Fantom X does and Roland is dragging their feet on this issue. I also, I need Roland to come out with a new keyboard controller that can replace my A-90 which is quite old now. Every Roland controller since the release of the A-90 doesn't cut it for my needs.

feel like a million dollars because of a paint job?

tomazzzi wrote:You don t like AKAI, ok, so what are u doing on an MPC forum ?

So please stop it, get a life, don t waste your time with AKAI if you hate them that much !

I hate the MV8800 but never joined their forum, that s something i just can t understand ... !! ( useless & waste of time )

He didn't say he hates Akai. He made the rant because he does like Akai and was disappointed with the 5000 because he obviously wants to use it and feels Akai is much better than the 5000 effort. If he hated Akai, I don't think he would have bothered making a huge complaint like that in attempts to get their attention. A person that hated Akai wouldn't give a shit and would just go get a refund and buy an MV or FL or somethin. I don't have a 5000 (but I am in the market for a new MP, so this thread is useful), so I can't comment on what he said about the technical stuff, but I didn't sense hatred for Akai in the write up.

Also, you mentioned you use it for "big projects" and lots of programs. What type of stuff do you do with it?

Askia Shaheed wrote:Every Roland controller since the release of the A-90 doesn't cut it for my needs.

For once I see we're seeing eye to eye on something. I actually like my A-70, but it would be nice to add maybe usb & a few other bells & whistles to these older controllers.

Especially if they plan on having a second coming of these things (aka, the mkII's, the plus's & LE's).

firework wrote:feel like a million dollars because of a paint job?

that i do.

For me the JJ OS is about workflow. If the 5k had the JJ OS workflow, I'd be all over it. Getting from one page to another, editing several program parameters at once, better use of screen space to display and edit more parameters without cluttering (far too many parameters hidden in windows on the Akai OS), track overview and cut/copy/paste editing directly in the MAIN screen, the list goes on...

I find the workflow very fast, some thing can be improved but, you know, it s the first OS so ...give them time !
I agree with the program edit feature of the JJ os though.

mistakes? where?

Some of the bugs in this thing are ATROCIOUS.

What bug is so ATROCIOUS ?

They need to be loa
ded from the hard drive.. one…by…one..

Wrong ....you can load entire folders.

Though i agree we definitly need a preview fonction !

Oh wait.. but sometimes you have to delete a synth program 4 times before it actually gets erased from your RAM. And some will not go away, AT ALL, no matter how many times you delete them.

Wrong, they delete just fine the first time ....i spent hours listening every patch to make my select, i never had the pb you r talking about.

IMPORTING FROM PREVIOUS MPCs IS BROKEN

Fixed, just take 30 seconds of your time to update the MPC.

Next step: Import a .PGM created in the 3rd party MPC Program Maker software

Even deader-er

Works fine here i create nearly all my PGM on the computer. (bluebox on pc, MPCpad187 on mac )
Maybe you tried with a 2000 PGM maker ...anyway ....fixed now.

Whenever I try to access this folder, I literally have to wait like 3 minutes while the unit freezes and gets itself together to prepare itself to let you scroll through files (with the weirdo wheel, see above) that it can’t properly process anyway.

HD ? CF ?

The HD preview pb is fixed....update....
If it s the CF, did you format it with the MPC ?

i never had to wait 3 minutes to browse a folder !!! never !!

But oh yeah… when it was all said and done and I actually made beat I thought was halfway decent, and wanted to save the NEW programs I made from scratch after I gave up on importing and starting fresh. I went to the hard drive.. made a new folder, selected “Save Entire Memory”

My screen said:

“Cannot Find Device… Ok??”

Never had this pb, i m using the save fonction everyday...mistake maybe ?

IT FORGOT WHERE MY HARD DRIVE WAS AND NO MATTER WHAT I DID IT WAS FROZEN.

IT FREEZES WHEN YOU TRY TO SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY??

I never had any freeze while saving ...i use it everyday " save entire memory "

My unit frooze about 2 or 3 times while previewing samples on the HD ...fixed with OS 1.02.
Never had any other freeze since.

the bugs arent my biggest problem so bug fixes arent going to change my opinion.

*maybe i should just write a script to say this automatically like every 5 posts.

My problem here is: THIS THING IS COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE AND SHOULD NOT BE!

Some of the bugs in this thing are ATROCIOUS.

*Maybe you should take the time to read your post again before writing your script *

No offense, Just Blaze, but, yes, i found your review very impulsive & mostly wrong.
Also i think you don t really understand the bad publicity you made & the consequences your review can have on the 5000 sales. ( bad sales = less time & money for devellopement of future OS )

I agree there s some inacceptable bugs but nothing more than on previous MPC when they comes out..

Also it seems the new AKAI team is making their best to solve them quickly.

You know they definitly can t try every situation, they r not musician but devellopers.

It s up to us to report them bugs to make this beast better !

Now I know, whenever you are an early adopter, you are the beta tester, and the rest of the folks will go out and wait for version 2 or something.. I can deal with that. I’m a beta tester by nature.

I guess you understand what i just said then ...

He didn't say he hates Akai. He made the rant because he does like Akai and was disappointed with the 5000 because he obviously wants to use it and feels Akai is much better than the 5000 effort. If he hated Akai, I don't think he would have bothered making a huge complaint like that in attempts to get their attention. A person that hated Akai wouldn't give a **** and would just go get a refund and buy an MV or FL or somethin. I don't have a 5000 (but I am in the market for a new MP, so this thread is useful), so I can't comment on what he said about the technical stuff, but I didn't sense hatred for Akai in the write up.

I wasn t talking about Just Blaze, i know he doesn t hate AKAI.
I was talking about all those guys who post bullshits on the 5000 when they never tried it.

Also, you mentioned you use it for "big projects" and lots of programs. What type of stuff do you do with it?

I use it for electronic music live PA with a lot of other gear, my memory is at least 70% full each time i use the MPC.

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Wow...I am glad to see somebody address JBs rant with specifics. Because most of the things he wrote had me scratching my head. JB purchased the MPC 5000 hoping that it would be a smaller version of the 4K. But if he actually read the press release/specs or asked any clown in GC, he would have quickly realized that it is missing features of the 4K.

My advice to JB since his crib is small and don't have enough space for an MPC 4000 (I thought he was ballin ).....simply pick up a Z8/Z4. You get your sample rates...you get your global program editing.....and pair it with Akai's new flagship.

justblaze wrote:And oh yeah.. to the other guy.. I know you can "tune" a program using the Q-link.. however, my friend. if you look at what it's doing, it's actually transposing it. not "fine tuning" it.. and if you read what i wrote more clearly, you'd see that is what i was referring to.

So Just Blaze's feature request is to use the Q-link to "fine tune" a program instead of transposing it.

I dont need to write a feature list you guys have written one for me right here

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=99857

thats the beauty of the forums , ppl post reviews , have rants, and make requests , its informing to others that are interested in the product , its great how the forum works , and dont get all high and mighty with me an try say "well this is only for thos of u who own the 5000" and all this "ELITE" sht , coz thats bull , do you want ppl to buy the product based on previous users knowledge? or are u up in here tryna seperate the users of each machine, make elite clans and get all up on akais nuts about how great the product is? , if u take an objective veiw on the topic u'll see that we arent "hating" on this , we're more "wanting" to "beleive" its the fukng dopest machine on the market right now and no ones going to part with their hard earned cash until the "bugs" or "missing features" are squashed and sorted , do u have a problem with that?, also with one guy saying he gets problems yet another guy saying he doesnt get the same problems does that cancel out everything else and make the hard point that the "bugs" dont really exist???? NO it does not , everybody has a different workflow and different setup, dont be coming out saying "well it dont happen to me so u made it up" , thats shyt ...total shyt


good day

And just to make my point this is something you youself wrote askia , and its a fuking good idea., the kind of feature I'm talking about , expandability , this machine would have crazy potential , also the idea of having an MPC powerful enough to carry more of the work that the computer does

Askia Shaheed wrote:

scd wrote:

tomazzzi wrote:Better way for mac users is usefull, yes !

An unmount button will be cool also i agree !

The usb story about mounting/unmounting is a delicate one. Specially on the Mac. I can't recall the whole story technically, but it is about impossible to implement it different from how it is now. That's not caused by Akai's but Apple's implementation of things.

Boele

Doesn't the MPC 2500 have an unmount button?


....after reading a few posts around here.....I have determined that the MPC 5K (or next MPC) should have USB audio and come with an editor. When you open up Cubase (or your favorite DAW), it will show up as a VST instrument. When you click on that instrument, a window will open up showing you all the program parameters...something that looks like Battery 3. The 5K already has the capability to be used as a 16 channel sound module. This would be an impressive function. Every time you open up a Cubase project, it will recall all the settings/files you used with the MPC 5K!

Or better yet..forget the computer entirely. Simply make an MPC powerful enough to install VST instruments. Or an MPC that has PCI slots so you can install your favorite sound card giving you plenty of options such as ADAT, firewire, AES/EBU, MADI, etc...or even direct connection to Pro Tools....... Man...I am losing control right now.

i upgraded to 1.02.....


how was the preview issue fixed?