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By namotu Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:25 am
everyone seems to go for the 303. i know dilla used it and all that, but are there any important differences between the 2? besides the fact that the 404 is newer and has more pads and some other stuff, is there anything better about the 303?
By Aerodynamic321 Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:40 am
i have the 303. i just enjoy the simplicity of it. it was also my first sampler. i usually use it for holding key durring jams, creating drones, and an effect processor. truth is the 404 can probably (almost surely) do all these things equally, or better.

things the 404 has that 303 doesn't.

-built in mic
-battery powered
-higher polyphony
-compact flash drive (303 has smartmedia which is extinct unless you search on used amazon or ebay...or old cameras)
-higher price
-still in production

I'm sure the list is incomplete but still a 303 sells for about $200 on ebay (i got mine for $180)

i plan on eventually upgrading my secondary sampler setup soon. but i actually just want a second 303 rather than 1 404. i just love the thing.
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By deck daddy Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:04 am
I always wanted a 303. I found a 404 cheap secondhand and bought it.

I used it some, but my homie has the 303 and I was not satisfied with the sound of the 404 compared to the 303.
I found a 303 seconhand barely used cheap, and sold the 404 for twice the price of the 303.

Now I'm very satisfied with the 303.

The 404 has a harsh sound, I do not like the highs, it sounds like a bad mp3-format with a treble boost.
The feel of the 303's pads are way better.

I don't need 16 voice polyphony for my style, and I don't need more then 16 pads either, so the choice is easy for me.
Another thing that's different is the mic input. I use the jack input because it is mono, I put my SP1200, bassguitar and rhodes in there. The 303 can gain more (even more than I need) then the 404, but the main difference is that the 404 has a stupid filter on that input: if you set the input gain on a low setting, there is a low-pass filter to remove hiss. And that sounded warped dull and useless. I could not pump the volume on max on my SP1200 and then turn the gain down on the 404 until it did not peak, because it was filtering with that bad filter.

The built in mic is bad, and when I compared with my SM57 I realized just how bad it is.

The 303 is also prettier, and I think it will remain more popular then the 404.
By Aerodynamic321 Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:21 pm
deck daddy wrote:I don't need 16 voice polyphony for my style, and I don't need more then 16 pads either.


12 pads/poly**

deck daddy wrote:The 303 is also prettier, and I think it will remain more popular then the 404.


agreed
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By deck daddy Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:52 pm
Aerodynamic321 wrote:
deck daddy wrote:I don't need 16 voice polyphony for my style, and I don't need more then 16 pads either.


12 pads/poly**


8x2(banks) pads: 16 "pads" as I called it. I should have written "I don't need more then 16 samples for my beats".
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By KkonEl Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:00 am
yeah the sound on the 4o4 is pretty harsh
the 3o3 has a more warm tone
Kev Brown uses one to run his samples thru and it gives them a resounding ring modulation
I mean neither machine is a bad choice at all
but if I had a choice I'd go for the 3o3
By Aerodynamic321 Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:41 am
deck daddy wrote:
Aerodynamic321 wrote:
deck daddy wrote:I don't need 16 voice polyphony for my style, and I don't need more then 16 pads either.


12 pads/poly**


8x2(banks) pads: 16 "pads" as I called it. I should have written "I don't need more then 16 samples for my beats".


http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc ... jectId=728

1st bullet point "12 Large Pads"
6th Bullet point "12-voice polyphony"
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By krang Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:23 am
the 404 sounds good to me. By good I mean you get exactly what you sampled into it. if thats not what your looking for there is a lofi sampling mode and plenty of FX.
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By deck daddy Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:52 am
Aerodynamic321 wrote:1st bullet point "12 Large Pads"
6th Bullet point "12-voice polyphony"


I was talking about the 303. 8 pads... I know the 404 has twelve pads. I sold my 404 a week ago and have the 303.
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By everday is saturday Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:52 pm
It all depends on the user, I have a 202 (!) and a 404..and i've used a 303.

it all comes down to personal preference, but at the end of the day it depends on the user.
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By Coz Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:29 pm
I've still got the 202 but I haven't used it since I got my MP!