So can the mpc5k read older Akai discs yet?

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While keygroups is not necessarily a must in my opinion, it is a popular feature request. Adding this feature will make the 5K stand out more as as the flagship MPC.

Keygroups on a MPC are only available on the 4000.

The 4000 was a total flop for AKAI

So i guess they though ( and i m pretty agree with them ) that it s not an essential feature to add on a MPC.

Yes it can be added to the feature request list but i m sure this is one they ll never add

tomazzzi wrote:The 4000 was a total flop for AKAI

but not because of the 'inclusion' of keygroups surely. and is the 5k going to be a success?

anyway, maybe akai will release a Power upgrade for the 5k like korg has for the m3. that certainly made me look again anyway.

AFF wrote:

tomazzzi wrote:The 4000 was a total flop for AKAI

but not because of the 'inclusion' of keygroups surely. and is the 5k going to be a success?

anyway, maybe akai will release a Power upgrade for the 5k like korg has for the m3. that certainly made me look again anyway.

I don't know exactly if the MPC 4000 was a flop based upon actual sales worldwide. But from reading alot of interviews with well-known producers and the tools they use, the MPC 4K was rarely mentioned. The same goes for the MV-8000/8800.

I think many people still want a powerful machine. But it is how companies implement this power/feature set into the machine. If the OS is cumbersome and not as intuitive as MPCs of the past, nobody will keep them. The MPC 5000 has plenty of power but it still feels like the older MPCs.

As far as the power upgrade you mentioned, what exact features are you looking for that the 5K doesn't have? Are you implying that a keygroup type of sampler is the function that would put it over the top in your eyes?

I just think when the 4K dropped people were using or buying software & hardware controllers for DAWs.
It is still a widely respected piece of gear.
It may have been a flop sales wise, I don't know.
Now that the DAW & CPU bizz is beginning to mature I think you are starting to see people longing for the turn on & play instrument again.
Problem is they now expect more now after seeing what a $600 dollar laptop can do.
What features do they want & what features will they not use, because they have the computer?
That is the /, because you can stuff a sampler/drum machine full & then the price tag is huge & some things will always be easier to do on a pc.
Computers will replace hardware multi-track recorders & racks of modules maybe, but it can't replace everything.
Wait... it can, because I can & have made an entire song w/ nothing but a pc & a microphone. It just wasn't fun.
So i mean it won't replace hardware.
That is my 2 cents.
The 5K looks fun.


My short version if you don't want to read that b.s.


5K SHOULD have keygroups, The MV's should have keygroups.
Doubt they ever will.
Jus Blaze's rant used the pitching of an entire program & how he would have to do it 1 pad / 1 bank at a time.
The MV lets you change every pad's pitch at once, but not the filters.
The filters are interesting, but you can't go through 5 pages of LFO's & slide a bunch of faders & turn knobs for each pad.
If you chopped a sample into 64 pieces?
Come on now that is nuts.
I interpret the 5K to be the same way.
It is frustrating, because JJ put it in on the 1K & it seems to be something so simple to add.
& yeah you could pitch or filter before the sample gets the chop, but you don't know where you are going in music.
What if a cat wants to buy the beat, but wants it a little slower or if you want to drop aliitle high end?
It SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON FLAGSHIPS PERIOD.
No argument

Don't believe the hype..the 4k is a beast and was only discontinued because of some parts not being available for the manufacturing process..Read all the scratch magz, the 4k is used heavily and mentioned by a lot of producers and included in their gear lists..

You won't get an argument from me. Simply read the feature request thread. Everything an MPC should have and more can be found there. But even if Akai didn't add any new features to the 5K, I would still prefer it over anything that is currently on the market.

Don't believe the hype..the 4k is a beast and was only discontinued because of some parts not being available for the manufacturing process

We never told the 4k is not a beast, it is !

& yes it was discontinued cause of the lack of intel cpu s.

Problem is they now expect more now after seeing what a $600 dollar laptop can do.

The thing is people always forgot to add the price of the software they pirate

Add this to the price of a decent laptop you have an MPC

Ex : Ableton Live : 500 € + battery 3 : 250€ + Ibook : 1200 + MPD : 200 €

The MPC is an all in one fun to use instrument, it intuitive & fast to use !

5K SHOULD have keygroups, The MV's should have keygroups.

Another time, YOU need keygroup.
I dont need them AT ALL as most users....keygroups are a pain to use on a MPC.
Roland & AKAI both choose not to include them on their products so i guess it s not as requested as you may think.
There s toons of products you can add to the 5000 to give you the keygroups for just a little amount of money.

pitching of an entire program

I m agree with you on this point this one is a really needed feature to improve the workflow.
It s on the feature request list !

even if Akai didn't add any new features to the 5K, I would still prefer it over anything that is currently on the market.

Same here couldn t find something as intuitive & fun to use !

FRESHFOR'88 wrote:Don't believe the hype..the 4k is a beast and was only discontinued because of some parts not being available for the manufacturing process..Read all the scratch magz, the 4k is used heavily and mentioned by a lot of producers and included in their gear lists..

I read in the forums that the 4K wasn't being made because of certain parts....but I don't believe everything I read around here. Where is the facts to back this up?

As far as Scratch....there is a thread about this in the forums somewhere. The 4K was mentioned but far from heavily mentioned. There were plenty of other MPCs that were listed more than the 4K.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

FRESHFOR'88 wrote:Don't believe the hype..the 4k is a beast and was only discontinued because of some parts not being available for the manufacturing process..Read all the scratch magz, the 4k is used heavily and mentioned by a lot of producers and included in their gear lists..

I read in the forums that the 4K wasn't being made because of certain parts....but I don't believe everything I read around here. Where is the facts to back this up?

As far as Scratch....there is a thread about this in the forums somewhere. The 4K was mentioned but far from heavily mentioned. There were plenty of other MPCs that were listed more than the 4K.

Sean W. and Dave Whittle were reps under the old akai and frequented yahoos mpc4000 user groups..all the posts are still there I believe.

As far as the 4k users, I have all the old Scratch magazines so I'm gonna look that up and name the cats rockin em...

I'm not pissin on the 5k though..if it shapes up to being a solid machine I'll cop one..

well i'm one of those fellows that big larry mentioned. when the 4k came out i looked at it as an additoon to my hoard of gear but it was too much money and so i went 'soft' and sold it all. and here, 10 years later and 3 years out of the loop i want in again.

to my dismay (but rather obviously) there seems to be no such things as a sample cd anymore. not in any particular format. last night i was looking at s6k again just to utilise my existing collections of cds (sold without an eb20?!). even looked at the z8! trouble is it scares me to invest in an old akai product, if they go wrong can they be fixed or are parts now history?

as for the power upgrade i mentioned, it was only a comment meant to mean all the feature requests in one go that are listed as well as some extra juicy bits which would take customers by surprise and make akai all nice again.

it's a shame akai don't produce hardware samplers anymore as well as mpcs. adding to larrys comments as computers are used more and more at work (like me) i just don't want to spend more time on one when i get home.

s/h hardware prices seem to be rising (after a fantom x), maybe it's a trend of those that want to change and can afford to go hardware. cabling puts me off though, whatever happened to this one cable does all scenario?

er, where were we, keygroups...

no wait, reading older akai discs!!!! just for the many many wierd sounds and stuff

AFF wrote:as for the power upgrade i mentioned, it was only a comment meant to mean all the feature requests in one go that are listed as well as some extra juicy bits which would take customers by surprise and make akai all nice again.

That's a terrible idea. No company would do such a thing. Its better to sprinkle extra features in with each OS release and keep working to make it stable.

er, that's not what i meant. stability should be from the off. if it's unstable, fix it. immediately!

AFF wrote:er, that's not what i meant. stability should be from the off. if it's unstable, fix it. immediately!

Your MPC 5K is unstable? I am making music just fine with mine.

Askia Shaheed wrote:Its better to sprinkle extra features in with each OS release and keep working to make it stable.

maybe i missed something. i don't have an 5k yet, just a 1k superman so i don't know what you're referring to about stability issues.

anyway, what you say is fine if you have regular os releases and/or regular contact with a representative of the company that fills you full of optimism.

when i look at korgs m3 forum you do get filled with a sense that korg (via the representative) will do everything they can to help make their machine what the users want.

you only have to look at JJ os to see what can be done with what seemed very little. imagine the 5k at starting point and following a similar progression. but do you believe akai would take it to its limits or rather release another version beforehand?