MPC 5000 or Roland Mv8800?

Which one is better? I want a non-biased opinion. What are the pros and cons of each?

I swapped from the MPC to to the MV about 3 months ago, before that I've always been a MPC user.
My experience with the MV:

pro:
- user freindly easy to learn machine (yes it really is)
- great effects
- good build quality (made in japan)
- you can do almost everything in realtime
- pattern and linear recording
- intuitive instrument like feel (personal opinion)
- fast way of spreading sounds to pads and create programms (clipboard etc.)
- less submenus (lots of dedicated buttons)

con:
- had crashed (frezzed) on me in almost every screen at different occassions

WatchYoNuggets wrote:Just a note, since a put the 3.52 Os back on , the MV didn't crashed on me once and it is at least 6 hours daily in use.

So forget about the frezzing thing

- you have to resample if you want to layer your chopped sounds cause they are actually not being sliced but send to the specific pad
- too pricey and unnecessary if you already run a PC/MAC recording system.

Overall i think the MV isn't for everyone, when I first played with it at GC a year ago I wasn't into it at all and wasn't even able to load up a programm. But now and after a short period of time I got used to it and enjoying it really much.

But shit is still different, if you like the MPC way of doing things you might stay with a MPC cause the workflow is definitely different!

Last to say is that the MV is not a beast that kills any MPC outthere or something (some seem to think that way) but a good all in one beatbox. I sold my mbox and pc and the MV is the only piece of equipment beside my tt's, monitors etc. that's in use right now.

- had crashed (frezzed) on me in almost every screen at different occassions

I've never had this happen and I use my MV on daily with some pretty big projects. What exactly did you do to make it freeze? ...if you don't mind going into it.


- you have to resample if you want to layer your chopped sounds cause they are actually not being sliced but send to the specific pad

Not so. Layering is done through the SMT with up to 4 sounds /pad. No resampling is required. You can drop any sound in memory into the slots at will on the SMT screen. This allows you to experiment without screwing up your original sample.
* Resampling is used if you want to permanently fuse layered sounds and/or effects together.


- too pricey and unnecessary if you already run a PC/MAC recording system

List price is down to $1900. I paid only $1885 shipped when I switched from my old 4000.

* I would honestly say that unless one is willing unlearn some MPC habits the 5000 is going to be a better choice.

moyphee wrote:I've never had this happen and I use my MV on daily with some pretty big projects. What exactly did you do to make it freeze?

a couple of times in the quick edit screen, the main screen etc. etc. overall 10-15 times the last 3 months (I use a 8000 with 3.5 Software) It was at no specific action, it happpend a couple of times while rec a sequence, than in the edit screen messin with decay/attack, then while playing back, even when I had done nothing.

I'm gonna format the HD and put the OS. on it for the better of it in a couple of days.I really hope that it gonna help.
I bought the MV 8000 brandnew, everything is stock (no ram expansions etc. have been done on it)

moyphee wrote:Not so. Layering is done through the SMT with up to 4 sounds /pad. No resampling is required. You can drop any sound in memory into the slots at will on the SMT screen. This allows you to experiment without screwing up your original sample.
* Resampling is used if you want to permanently fuse layered sounds and/or effects together.

Yes I know you layer via the SMT screen, but just those samples that are being holded in the memory (sample manager)
But when you chop up a break, still the whole sample will be holded in the memory not the indiv. hits.
Thous it's impossible to layer snare from break A with snare from break B as you would just layer the whole 2 breaks together.
So in this case you have to resample your indiv hit first to have it solo in your sample manager.

I called Roland support about this,the guy told me that the MV wasn't developed to execute such complex actions (chopping + layering)
I mean this method may have some benefits (not really) but not in the case you want to chop up breaks und layer them. An MPC does that since ever and that's them basic actions that me and you expect from a Beatbox/drum-sequencer.

Concerning this he said that samples ain't being choped, but being just addressed to pads/patches to save memory.
Which IMO doesn't make sense neither cause no drum-machine I know keep the original sample after chopping it up.

But hey, at least Roland do have a customer support which you actually can call and get help of.

moyphee wrote:- too pricey and unnecessary if you already run a PC/MAC recording system

List price is down to $1900. I paid only $1885 shipped when I switched from my old 4000.

Hmmm I don't know man, a PC Recording system + a 1800$ Sampler/Sequencer is definitely too pricey for me + I wouldn't need lots of the features on the MV anymore (linear sequencer, audio rec, hard-disk rec. etc.). So I'd rather would get a MPC 3000/2000XL etc. instead and spend the rest of the money in output gear. The MV as a standalone get the job well done IMO.
But hey, if money's no object its surely cool.

Nonetheless I really like the MV, its one of my faouvrite pieces of gear so far.

P.S.

If anyone know how to solve this freezing problem please holla at me.

peace rob.

WatchYoNuggets : While in the SMT just push Sample Edit. You can truncate any sample you layer with the Command tab in the corner. Once you make your edit , the MV will ask if you want to replace or not. If you choose yes the original is altered.

Nondestrustive Chopping. I never met anyone that this was bad idea until now. By using the nondestructive method the safeguard benifits are obvius but it also means that you can clone , twist and edit the sample across pads and Audio Phrases ( with their own settings) without duplicating the sample itself which means that no memory is wasted. You can go destructive anytime you want.

The latest OS for the 8000 3.52 which contains some bug fixes. Not sure if freezing is one of them.
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_supp ... &iCncd=720

You should also take into account that the 8800 has several features not available o the 8000. The most important (imoho) being the expanded export functions and realtime playing of Pattern Track.

Moyphee, nondestructive choppping is without a doubt a good thing exept for the actions I wrote about in above.
I'm gonna check this method out, but I think I already know how it works:
You go to the desired pad > SMT screen > truncate. Right? But I will lost the other chops of that break I truncate right? That's what I thought and why I never had proceed that action.

I backup my HD just as writing this and then format it and put the 3.52 OS back on.

I thank you for your input moyphee, gonna check the method out before formating my drive and let you know. Maybe it works out how I want it to.

moyphee wrote:You should also take into account that the 8800 has several features not available o the 8000. The most important (imoho) being the expanded export functions and realtime playing of Pattern Track.

this just sucks man, I went with the 8000 cause I never went for the coloured screen + don't need the VGA didn't knew any other differences

SMT Sample Edit Tab Command Tab Truncate

If you choose replace the original is cropped. If not a truncated copy (your chop) is created and place in the SMT slot. You can check the Sample Manger your new smaller sample will be close to the original in the list.

*The other chops will only be affected if you choose to replace the original.

Also if you save a sample while in the Sample Edit only the portion you want is saved the rest is discarded...but your original is still left alone.

This the stuff that's missing form the 8000 besides the color tft screen.
This chart used to be on the MV site but the image is still in place.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... vref-7.jpg

moyphee wrote:If you choose replace the original is cropped. If not a truncated copy (your chop) is created and place in the SMT slot. You can check the Sample Manger your new smaller sample will be close to the original in the list.

*The other chops will only be affected if you choose to replace

Bingo!!!!
Thank you so much my man, you made my day


P.S. weird thing is I have a 3.54 OS on, have downloaded it from mv nation, but the latest OS on roland.com is 3.52

non biased answer would be pick whatever machine you feel. at the end of the day both machines the same thing give or take few features.

WatchYoNuggets wrote:P.S. weird thing is I have a 3.54 OS on, have downloaded it from mv nation, but the latest OS on roland.com is 3.52

Do you have a link for OS 3.54? I'm on MV Nation but didn't see that OS on there. I have 3.52 on my MV8000.
What are the changes from 3.52 to 3.54? It's not even on the Roland website!

damn I can't find it anymore seems like i'd been taken down or something but here's a link to a topic about it:


http://www.mvnation.com/phpBB/viewtopic ... 22&t=11937

just to prove that it really exists

But I just went back to 3.52, I don't know my MV was freezing on me all the time + the 3.52 version seems to be the current one.
I let you know if the frezzing stops after the step back to that OS (I really hope so)

rob

konc3pt wrote:non biased answer would be pick whatever machine you feel. at the end of the day both machines the same thing give or take few features.

In the end that's the best answer!

I'm very interested in the MV, and when the time comes (if it comes) to look into a sampler in that price range I believe I'll take the plunge. The MV just seems to combine the goodies of software with the simplicity and reliability of dedicated hardware. It has a very sturdy looking build, reminiscent of the early MPCs.

bedouin wrote:It has a very sturdy looking build, reminiscent of the early MPCs.

It is real sturdy + It has a intuitive instrument feel when working on it.
I just experienced something like that on the MPC 3000 but not in such amount like on the MV (due to the features of the MV)

For now I'd hold off with purchasing an MV until winter NAMM