Diggin a waste of cash

hmmmmmm... idk i can give u the song and if it was a fav do a search for donut originals. i think that was the name, it was a tape w/ all the songs he flipped. if i remember it right it was a bonus sent w/ a 12" when ordered from fatbeats....


u know what **** it, the songs "the NEW" and the record was from THE DETROIT EMERALDS, the song was the first one one the B side i dont have it in front of me but the copy i got was mint and when u listen to both your jaws drop like how did he get so much outta that. but if u can find it, u order the donuts joint online u can get all the stuff he sampled with it... i dont know if its being offered anymore

i understand what jpeg is saying... i get samples wherever i can find em. off records, videos, internet, tv...it dont matter.

but to say record digging is a waste of time and money? i'll just chalk that up to you being lazy or not knowing how to dig or what you should be looking for.

i dont really do a lot of diggin nowadays because i dont really have the time. but when i come across a collection being sold on craigslist or ebay for cheap or at goodwill i'll cop it and hope that there's good records in it. regardless of what it is, i'll find something useful in any record.

its a lot of work but nothing beats sampling off wax.

jaem wrote:

Donlong wrote:

EducatedHands wrote:oh shtt. yeah i agree. i actually go with a portable turntable so i listen to everything i buy. haha. my bad.

i need one of those lol! do u buy most from actual record stores (i find these are expensive) or do u go to markets and and second hand stores etc? alot of teh records im finding are like 6 dollars and up....this gets expensive!

$1000 PC
$1500 MPC
$200 mic
$300 interface

and $6 is expensive?

you're not built for this

lets not act like we got deep pockets. paying 6 dollars for a record that you're only gonna use for one sample you may or may not use is pretty pricey.

especially if you're buying a whole stack of records.

lets be real.

i would take that as a challenge like i posted b4 except i might buy like 2 lps 4 six apiece and only those two and work em. i feel what u sayin about cost its just a matter of bein smart nowadays

no lazyness here i used to go out twice a week and be in obscure record shots finding odd shit spending spare cash but now that i got mortgage to pay and i aint making money to do track dont see any reason to spen time and effort out there doing that.

i find better shit on-line and it saves me time and money plus as i said i find a more diverse collection of source material to sample.

if never been a record collector i got into diggin to find samples so no i do that online.

HAHAHAHAHA this is funny ,


if you think you wasted your money....then you prolly did, or diggin is not for you,

you just have to learn to dig better the next time ,or just stop buying records.


it's funnty how people want back what they paid for the records they own, i see it all the time when people try to sell me records.

remeber this ONLY THE ONE"S YOU PAY TOP DOLLAR WILL HOLD THERE VALUE AND IT HAS TO BE IN NM CONDITION.DOLLARS ADD UP REAL QUICK LIKE, SO MAKE SURE WHAT YOUR GETTING IS WHAT U WANT,CAUSE EVRYTHING ELSE YOU WONT GET BACK WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT

yeah in hindsite shit was a waste at the time i had spare cash no heavy bills so it was whatever got some good shit made some nice beats but looking back now considering the current finance situation if i added up the money spent on gear that/records that i did not really need shit would be useful.

but still u live u learn but i see no reason to spend time an money diggin cos that collector shit was neva my intention was just looking for dope sounds and blogs like this be killing it.

http://milkcratebreaks.blogspot.com/200 ... chive.html


yeah peeps used them records b4 but dont care if i grab a section that is not obvious and juxtapose with a sound off a different record i can still bring some sort of twist to it that may not of come about when someone else used the record.

Maybe it's just me, but I love that dusty , musty smell of a room full of wax. When you finger tips are coated with dust spores and what not---I couldn't live with out it.

"rather then me having 300 records most of which i dont like the sound of or only has 1 or 2 things to sample.
using online sources is dope cos its endless supply rather then me being limited to the **** i can afford or find."

** This is not a response to the quote above, but to all that feel the same way...**
To be really honest, it's this type of thinking that's kicking the true spirit of Hip-Hop while it's almost dead. I can't blame you for thinking this way since it seems like most people are doing the same but I seriously urge you all to watch Style Wars, or Wild Style before proceeding to the next level of production. These movies should be like Hip-Hop 101 to everyone that never experienced Hip-Hop from it's birth. There are so many people that think they are Hip-Hop, and have never seen these movies, or understand what the realness is all about.
First, let me say, there is nothing instant in Hop Hop, in fact, it's the lack of effort that makes 99% of these new producers/rappers sound so horrible. Breakdancing requires years of practice, Djing requires years of practice, Graffiti writing requires years of practice, Mc'ing requires years of practice. Nowadays, everyone wants results NOW. The same kid that downloads fruityloops is trying to sell beats for $20 a week later. Your not a Dilla just because you made a Boom Bap beat. Your not a Talib Qwali just because you made "cat" rhyme with "hat," and your not a producer just because you sampled a website song and made it sound like a Madlib track. There are diggers that have spent 10-20-30-40+ YEARS collecting records, and there is a certain level of pride of owning an clean, original rare album. Many collectors will have various copies of the same record with varying degrees of quality. Many will travel to different states and countries just to find albums not available in their area!
So now, we have the new school producer that gets a drum machine that can do 100 different things, goes online to seek assistance from the world wide web on how to use it, logs onto websites to cheat his/her way into acquiring rare music, gets his buddies to spit hot garbage over the unskillfully produced track while claiming the finished product is "real."
Anyone that honestly respects this artform can taste the effort that one puts into their craft. If you take time to program your drums, real heads will notice it. If you take time to get your vocab up to par, real Mc's will notice it. The lack of effort from this "Newskool" generation is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of those that remember what this artform was originally about. Some of you may call it "hate" but really, it's not even about that. When something sucks, it is what it is, and most of the music produced today is just horrible. Right now, the "best" rapper is really just the "best of the worst" and the "illest" producers are the ones that sell beats to the best of the worst rappers.
With that said, everyone, please make an effort to learn what this artform is all about. If you sample off Youtube, doesn't the urge to actually own the album you liked enough to sample enter your mind? Would a scratched up copy really be good enough even if you did find it? And if you finally found the clean original album, I bet you would really put in some serious work to make it sound even better. This is the effort I was talking about. Learn your History. This message is a lot deeper than simply paying for the records. There's a whole lot you can learn from diggin' in the crates.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong from sampling from any source, a sound is a sound, but dayum, don't you feel like a bit of a cheater when you skip steps to complete a beat? That's like running a marathon, making mad detours, and crossing the finish line panting and sweating like you really did something. Really, that's wack..

roxstar wrote:your not a producer just because you sampled a website song and made it sound like a Madlib track.

I feel your post, for real. But I don't think that this was the right way to state your point. If someone can make a beat that's up to par with a Madlib beat, it doesn't matter where the sounds came from.

If they don't know how to dig at all and want to be a sampling producer, that's a different story...

But If they're a digger who makes a hot beat with an internet sample, I don't see the problem.

roxstar wrote:"rather then me having 300 records most of which i dont like the sound of or only has 1 or 2 things to sample.
using online sources is dope cos its endless supply rather then me being limited to the **** i can afford or find."

** This is not a response to the quote above, but to all that feel the same way...**
To be really honest, it's this type of thinking that's kicking the true spirit of Hip-Hop while it's almost dead. I can't blame you for thinking this way since it seems like most people are doing the same but I seriously urge you all to watch Style Wars, or Wild Style before proceeding to the next level of production. These movies should be like Hip-Hop 101 to everyone that never experienced Hip-Hop from it's birth. There are so many people that think they are Hip-Hop, and have never seen these movies, or understand what the realness is all about.
First, let me say, there is nothing instant in Hop Hop, in fact, it's the lack of effort that makes 99% of these new producers/rappers sound so horrible. Breakdancing requires years of practice, Djing requires years of practice, Graffiti writing requires years of practice, Mc'ing requires years of practice. Nowadays, everyone wants results NOW. The same kid that downloads fruityloops is trying to sell beats for $20 a week later. Your not a Dilla just because you made a Boom Bap beat. Your not a Talib Qwali just because you made "cat" rhyme with "hat," and your not a producer just because you sampled a website song and made it sound like a Madlib track. There are diggers that have spent 10-20-30-40+ YEARS collecting records, and there is a certain level of pride of owning an clean, original rare album. Many collectors will have various copies of the same record with varying degrees of quality. Many will travel to different states and countries just to find albums not available in their area!
So now, we have the new school producer that gets a drum machine that can do 100 different things, goes online to seek assistance from the world wide web on how to use it, logs onto websites to cheat his/her way into acquiring rare music, gets his buddies to spit hot garbage over the unskillfully produced track while claiming the finished product is "real."
Anyone that honestly respects this artform can taste the effort that one puts into their craft. If you take time to program your drums, real heads will notice it. If you take time to get your vocab up to par, real Mc's will notice it. The lack of effort from this "Newskool" generation is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of those that remember what this artform was originally about. Some of you may call it "hate" but really, it's not even about that. When something sucks, it is what it is, and most of the music produced today is just horrible. Right now, the "best" rapper is really just the "best of the worst" and the "illest" producers are the ones that sell beats to the best of the worst rappers.
With that said, everyone, please make an effort to learn what this artform is all about. If you sample off Youtube, doesn't the urge to actually own the album you liked enough to sample enter your mind? Would a scratched up copy really be good enough even if you did find it? And if you finally found the clean original album, I bet you would really put in some serious work to make it sound even better. This is the effort I was talking about. Learn your History. This message is a lot deeper than simply paying for the records. There's a whole lot you can learn from diggin' in the crates.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong from sampling from any source, a sound is a sound, but dayum, don't you feel like a bit of a cheater when you skip steps to complete a beat? That's like running a marathon, making mad detours, and crossing the finish line panting and sweating like you really did something. Really, that's wack..

REAL TALK

preach on homie

four eyes wrote:
lets not act like we got deep pockets. paying 6 dollars for a record that you're only gonna use for one sample you may or may not use is pretty pricey.

especially if you're buying a whole stack of records.

lets be real.

lol i gotta say it was funny but saying im not built for this is total bullshyt if he meant it cos im far from that... im the oppossite i invest time, money and everything i have to learning to make better music.

In regards to records, the truth is I am from australia and over here i dont pay 6 bucks for records more like 8 and above bucks and when I buy records i dont buy one or two I buy 20 at least. After dropping over ten geez on equipment and constantly being in debt im sure its fair to enquire where i could get them cheaper since im hearing people say they get records out the dollar bin? ive never seen such bins where i come from....

EducatedHands wrote:if a store's got mostly 6 dollar records, i usually don't stay for long. 4 dollar records are my limit kinda. there's stores with big dollar bin sections too. this one i go to has a huge jazz section, all a dollar. and yeah, try the salvation army (usually cheesy old people shtt) or garage sales always seem to have a nice collection sitting there..

cool man thanks. yeah well where i have gone the records normally start at 6 or 8 bucks....In my state nearly all the place to dig have shut, i didnt visit any for awhile then when i went back lots were shut! its messed up.

roxstar wrote:To be really honest, it's this type of thinking that's kicking the true spirit of Hip-Hop while it's almost dead. I can't blame you for thinking this way since it seems like most people are doing the same but I seriously urge you all to watch Style Wars, or Wild Style before proceeding to the next level of production. These movies should be like Hip-Hop 101 to everyone that never experienced Hip-Hop from it's birth. There are so many people that think they are Hip-Hop, and have never seen these movies, or understand what the realness is all about.
First, let me say, there is nothing instant in Hop Hop, in fact, it's the lack of effort that makes 99% of these new producers/rappers sound so horrible. Breakdancing requires years of practice, Djing requires years of practice, Graffiti writing requires years of practice, Mc'ing requires years of practice. Nowadays, everyone wants results NOW. The same kid that downloads fruityloops is trying to sell beats for $20 a week later. Your not a Dilla just because you made a Boom Bap beat. Your not a Talib Qwali just because you made "cat" rhyme with "hat," and your not a producer just because you sampled a website song and made it sound like a Madlib track. There are diggers that have spent 10-20-30-40+ YEARS collecting records, and there is a certain level of pride of owning an clean, original rare album. Many collectors will have various copies of the same record with varying degrees of quality. Many will travel to different states and countries just to find albums not available in their area!
So now, we have the new school producer that gets a drum machine that can do 100 different things, goes online to seek assistance from the world wide web on how to use it, logs onto websites to cheat his/her way into acquiring rare music, gets his buddies to spit hot garbage over the unskillfully produced track while claiming the finished product is "real."
Anyone that honestly respects this artform can taste the effort that one puts into their craft. If you take time to program your drums, real heads will notice it. If you take time to get your vocab up to par, real Mc's will notice it. The lack of effort from this "Newskool" generation is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of those that remember what this artform was originally about. Some of you may call it "hate" but really, it's not even about that. When something sucks, it is what it is, and most of the music produced today is just horrible. Right now, the "best" rapper is really just the "best of the worst" and the "illest" producers are the ones that sell beats to the best of the worst rappers.
With that said, everyone, please make an effort to learn what this artform is all about. If you sample off Youtube, doesn't the urge to actually own the album you liked enough to sample enter your mind? Would a scratched up copy really be good enough even if you did find it? And if you finally found the clean original album, I bet you would really put in some serious work to make it sound even better. This is the effort I was talking about. Learn your History. This message is a lot deeper than simply paying for the records. There's a whole lot you can learn from diggin' in the crates.

While I feel the point you're trying to make here, you gotta remember that there was mad wack shite back in the beginnings too. Hip hop has had a fairly consistent battle with the mainstream since 'Rappers Delight' and people have gotten too blinkered over the years to accept that not all of this music so many of us love and hate and love to hate (etc.), is always on a par with the best.

Like most forms of modern music, there have been patches of outstanding creativity, but this only happens sporadically within ANY artform, so peeps are quick to latch onto whatevers 'hot' or 'dope' at the time.

As an example, the guy I used to share hip hop tapes with introduced me to Ice T's OG and Vanilla Ices debut in the same week. Now which one do you think most cats remember?

I've copmpletely lost my train of thought now typing this out (god knows how you managed it ) but if I remember any more points, you can be sure I'll be back to make them.


Go hard or not at all

i thinks its a good idea to ecperince diggin and learning the process and lables and artist the hard way and finding them unexpected records is fund but i aint stuck on that.

now that ive learned the years artists, producers and lables to check for when im blogs i can see the records that are to my taste and check em out i dont care about pride for finding a rare record cos i aint a collector.

everyone goes thru stages im at a stage where i dont wann put any more money into music i just wanna make shit i like and possible get some cash back off beat sales.

respect the origins but i aint got time to be treking out finding old records i aint got space to sotre hundreds of records in my house i got a small 100 stack stash the rest is on computer ima keep it like that.