MPC 5000 Sales

It's more like you got suckered!¡ I'm going start selling magic pennies that will fix all the bugs for $1000 each. (you will need this for your 5000)

bomb beats wrote:It's more like you got suckered!¡

It's true what they say "Never feed the Troll"
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You've obviously not actually checked availability of B-stock 5Ks from the major dealers in the UK then: -

Daaler B-stock is one thing but when you have so many return that the maker itself is selling them direct it's a clear sign of overabundance. I don't believe it's a coincidence that worst received models are being offered directly as refurbs from Akai.

This forum and other machine forums doesn't in any way represent the full scope of the user base . That said, most 5000 customers will simply take a unit back rather than try force it to work properly. If you guys were not on this forum communicating there is no way you would not put up the bugs if they interrupted your workflow.

moyphee wrote:

You've obviously not actually checked availability of B-stock 5Ks from the major dealers in the UK then: -

Daaler B-stock is one thing but when you have so many return that the maker itself is selling them direct it's a clear sign of overabundance. I don't believe it's a coincidence that worst received models are being offered directly as refurbs from Akai.

This forum and other machine forums doesn't in any way represent the full scope of the user base . That said, most 5000 customers will simply take a unit back rather than try force it to work properly. If you guys were not on this forum communicating there is no way you would not put up the bugs if they interrupted your workflow.

It was you that mentioned Dealer B-stock

Why come into the 5K threads and make sweeping statements you can't back up with specific facts or evidence?

If you don't want to buy a 5K don't....but IMHO it's the best MPC currently available, that's why I own one and don't post in the 4K threads.

Perhaps I should pop across to the 4K threads and post a couple of new ones titled 'Version 1.72 released!!!' or 'WOW! Hard disk audio recording on the 4K!!!', now I'm just kidding (obviously), but I expect that if I did, it would perhaps wind certain forum members up, because I know I wouldn't be able to back it up - that's why I don't do it.

Listen, for the record I think that the 4K is a superb machine, but just because I don't own one(or want one), It doesn't make me feel like I want to hop onto the 4K threads and start trying to 'pull everyone's chain' just because it's not the 'right' machine for me. - d'ya kinda see how it works?

That would just be hatin' and stupid.

It's not too hard to back up. My, only point is that if you can't refurbs if you don't have customer returns. Whether it be hardware or software defects or problems or customers just don't like them, refurbs are customer returns listed as defective by the dealer. In retail, the uits are listed as defects when the dealers don't want to hold the unit in their inventory. No unit should have that many factory returns so early in it's life cycle.

I don't dislike the 5000 but I do believe that the solution is for Akai to make the OS open source. The bugs would be addressed in no time and the machine's feature set would be expanded greatly. In fact, the competition amongst coders to make the best adjustments can only benefit the user base. The new code can approved and tested by Akai then made available to the public. Problem solved.

moyphee wrote:No unit should have that many factory returns so early in it's life cycle.

I know how the B-stock thing works, but...

...how many returns are we talking about? stats, facts?

Against how many units sold, again, stats, facts?

Nobody can quote actual numbers but Akai but it's certainly enough units that they are being sold direct from Akai from their website exclusively to US customers. Nobody does this when the return numbers are low. It simply doesn't happen.

US dealers (i can't speak for the UK) don't want these units because they must be clearly labeled as Refurbished and cannot be presente as NEW.That's the law and in the US most customers don't differentiate Used from Refurbished.

moyphee wrote:Nobody can quote actual numbers but Akai

Well, If we can't determine the 'actual' number of returned units versus the 'actual' number of sold units then I'd personally rather NOT get involved in rumour, supposition or speculation.



I'd rather just enjoy my 5K.

No rumors , the only unanswered question is of how bad the customer return problem really is.

In any case , if your happy with your box i'm cool with that.

moyphee wrote:Getting customers to keep the 5000 is harder than getting them to buy it.

moyphee wrote:No rumors , the only unanswered question is of how bad the customer return problem really is.

Just to recap: I was asking you to back up your statements with specific numbers, and I think in the end you agreed that you didn't have those numbers - right????

So, we agree.

Yeah - I'm enjoying the 5K

Iz all good dog. You kept yours and that's what counts.

Maybe somebody will give all those unwanted 5000s a loving home. Akai seems to have pretty good supply to sell them direct.

moyphee wrote:Akai seems to have pretty good supply to sell them direct.

I couldn't possibly comment until I knew all the facts

If the music thing doesn't work out you've certainly got a future in American politics.

moyphee wrote:If the music thing doesn't work out you've certainly got a future in American politics.

Nah, Politics is for people with no 'tangible' skills!

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