Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:55 am
Lampdog wrote:
Askia Shaheed wrote:
I will replace my triton extreme with an M3 late Feb when I get back home. I'm excited about it.

The price of new M3s are dropping.

I'll still end up with one, big prices don't scare me, small prices are cool, but big prices don't scare me.

I've never been to the mv nation forums but if they flame for speaking bad about a product, that's not good
ALL products has something that someone out there won't like, that's normal.


I will be curious to hear your thoughts on the M3 after using a Triton for so long.

About the MV....this forum is the complete opposite of the the MV forum. If you want to hear something bad about Akai/Numark or an MPC..this is the place to go. You can't say anything negative about an MV over at MV Nation. The members and MODs there will even try to cover up its shortcomings. However...deep down, I wish this forum had a little bit of that. It is tough dropping some knowledge about the MPC 5000 (or even the MPC 2500 back in the day) without having numerous people jumping in (who don't own/use it) to tell you how much they hate it.

(On-topic)
Reasons for an MPC..
1. Audio tracks that stay in sync. Long samples in the MV will eventually go out of sync. You have to chop long samples into regions in order for them to stay in sync. This is not an issue with the MPC.
2. The MPC will let you assign a different program to each track...up to 64 programs. The MV gives you 16 parts to assign programs (patches) to.
3. MPC 5K can be placed in a 32 channel multi-timbral mode. The MV..only 16.
4. Filters. MPC 5K gives you 11 filter options with full ADSR and other additional parameters to adjust per sample. The MV gives you 3 filter options per sample with fewer paramaters. MV users will tell you that its MFX processor has many more filter options. But the truth is, you only get one MFX. The 5K also gives you additional filters in its FXs..and you get 4 effect busses with 2 FXs per buss.


Nym....as long as this forum is around...ALL MPCs are heavily supported :D
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Lampdog Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:58 am
Askia Shaheed wrote:I will be curious to hear your thoughts on the M3 after using a Triton for so long.

I've went from Triton classic, skipped the studio and went to Extreme.

I've done the M3 virtual gui thingy on the Korg site a few times just looking around.

http://www.korg.com/M3_gui/m3vgui2.html

Alot of the menus I'm already familiar with. If you've seen the layout of and the actual main screen of the m3 and
extreme, you'd see that the m3 main screen layout is based on the same stuff. I don't see a big learning curve at all for
me. I'm already knowing I'll be comfortable with it.

Back on topic.
I won't hijack anymore sorry to infect this thread, I'll stfu now...
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By dabmeister Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:46 pm
Askia Shaheed wrote:About the MV....this forum is the complete opposite of the the MV forum. If you want to hear something bad about Akai/Numark or an MPC..this is the place to go. You can't say anything negative about an MV over at MV Nation. The members and MODs there will even try to cover up its shortcomings. However...deep down, I wish this forum had a little bit of that.


Well for the record, Akai makes and has made numerous versions of their mpc line during their course of existense (which you could have written the manuals for every last one of them, when I come to think of it). But on the other hand, Roland has come up with only two versions, and I want to say one because it was an upgrade from the original.

So I guess everybody over at the Nation is on the same accord, since there's nothing to argue about over there like it is here.

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By moyphee Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:54 pm
1. Audio tracks that stay in sync. Long samples in the MV will eventually go out of sync. You have to chop long samples into regions in order for them to stay in sync. This is not an issue with the MPC.

Audio Tracks only drift if a wavs from other apps or machines are simply dropped into place. Audio Phrases and and linear recorded tracks don't drift. If a wav is not in perfect sync with the track's bpm when dropped it will drift as it will with any daw , MPC, or even DJ mix. The MV also has the ability to read Acidized WAVs so there's a lot flexibility in syncing not available on the 3500
2. The MPC will let you assign a different program to each track...up to 64 programs. The MV gives you 16 parts to assign programs (patches) to.

The MV has 16 active mixer slots for patches/programs -same as 5000. The tracks allow access to any active patch in the parts list. The MV allows for 128 Patches to be actively stored for use in the Patch Library. [b]So each of the MVs track has instant access to a library of 128 patches at a moments notice. NOT 16 as you claim.

3. MPC 5K can be placed in a 32 channel multi-timbral mode. The MV..only 16.

While true, the 5000 is just a phrase sampler so there is no real use for the dual MIDI INs . Furthermore, the 5000 could have 320 channels but the fact is that the 5000 itself still only outputs 16 parts total at any one time.The spec is cosmetic.


4. Filters. MPC 5K gives you 11 filter options with full ADSR and other additional parameters to adjust per sample. The MV gives you 3 filter options per sample with fewer paramaters. MV users will tell you that its MFX processor has many more filter options. But the truth is, you only get one MFX. The 5K also gives you additional filters in its FXs..and you get 4 effect busses with 2 FXs per buss.

-No less than 4 of the listed 11 filter are actually derivatives of the same algorithm. In fact the 5000 specs specifically list only list 7 types. 11 types is a cosmetic spec stretch you made up by counting filter variants .
-The 3 available at Quick edit are the most popular and useful
- The MV has actually more parameters per filter than the 5000. Hitting the Filter Tab opens the full screen. And yes, every pad can have it's own ADSR envelope applied to the filter. It helps to know what your talking about instead of digging around MVN for quick and dirty answers.
- The MV has every filter type available the 3500 in addition to some not available on the 3500.
- The MV can route any sound through bass synth and the tweaks can be recorded by the sequencer
- The 5000 has 4 lackluster blocks while the MV has an FX engine that Numark will never be able to compete with. I'll take quality over quantity any day. *There are some good advantages of the 4 block in their flexibility but the quality is is just average at best


If you didn't spend so much time trying to market the 5000 instead aiding users it wouldn't be so bad- but it is so no need complaining. Bickering doesn't solve much but deliberate misinformation has to be addressed. Now about that lack of filter parameter for each sound...let's address the garbage shall we?
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By diegoeskryptic Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:08 pm
Sovereign wrote:
diegoeskryptic wrote:mods please close this thread. the guy who started this thread has since moved on to a MPC 5000!!!


No reason to close it because if he's like some other people on here after having it about a month will try to sell it every other week on eBay, just to find out no one is interested.
So he may still be interested but now be wondering why did I choose the 5k or why I am stuck with even at a chaep price..

Amazing how quickly some people abandon a piece of gear yet try to say they knew how to use it.



The 5k is mad easy to use. If your accustomed to the other MPC's then you wont have a problem with this baby. Not only did they do away with features, they did away with the complexity as well. I can say I knew how to use it. Its no diff than ne other mpc. jsut less steps and some of the features are gone until the next update...

The only issue I had was routing effects, which I soon learned was not possible with the way I wanted to do it.

But yeah, I sold my 5k about 10 mins ago. So contrary to what your saying, someone was interested in it.

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Sovereign Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:42 am
diegoeskryptic wrote:
But yeah, I sold my 5k about 10 mins ago. So contrary to what your saying, someone was interested in it.


But how many times did you list it on eBay, was it 5 or 6?

You started listing it right after you got it just like you did with the Nottz 4k that you couldn't understand and said he was going to show you some how to use.

Just seems like you always follow the road of quick abandonment on gear then try to say it has problems.

Always makes me laugh when you post here or on the MV Nation about a piece of gear be it the MV , a MPC , the XS or whatever. :lol:

Maybe one day you will actually try to learn a piece instead of doing the short run.

:arrow:
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:04 am
dabmeister wrote:
Askia Shaheed wrote:About the MV....this forum is the complete opposite of the the MV forum. If you want to hear something bad about Akai/Numark or an MPC..this is the place to go. You can't say anything negative about an MV over at MV Nation. The members and MODs there will even try to cover up its shortcomings. However...deep down, I wish this forum had a little bit of that.


Well for the record, Akai makes and has made numerous versions of their mpc line during their course of existense (which you could have written the manuals for every last one of them, when I come to think of it). But on the other hand, Roland has come up with only two versions, and I want to say one because it was an upgrade from the original.

So I guess everybody over at the Nation is on the same accord, since there's nothing to argue about over there like it is here.


We have seperate sub-forums within this forum. We have heated debates (usually about nothing) within and across the sub-forums. Its all good...but when people start getting emotional and insult each other over a drum machine..this is silly. What the MPC 2500 and 5000 sub-forums really need is a moderator that actually uses those machines. A moderator that will actually moderate and not take part in some of our silly heated debates. For the record, most of our moderators are alright. :wink: But my perception is that they only delete (alter) posts that pertain to the MPC they use. At least this is what I perceive to be true.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Jauly Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:32 am
moyphee wrote:Stop trying to dodge the issue. What music I make has nothing to do with it.

The 5000 is phrase/drum sampler and incapable of handling anything beyond that.



Nice said, but, uhm, no.

The MPC 5000 is presented on the german site as "new standard in music production".

Well, the old 4000 can do keyzones. why not the new "mpc flagship" (as akai announces the 5000)?

I hope they fix this in the next OS update.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:33 am
The MV has 16 active mixer slots for patches/programs -same as 5000. The tracks allow access to any active patch in the parts list. The MV allows for 128 Patches to be actively stored for use in the Patch Library. [b]So each of the MVs track has instant access to a library of 128 patches at a moments notice. NOT 16 as you claim.

The MV has 16 active mixer slots (parts) for patches/programs. The MPC 5000 as well as the other latest MPCs have much more. The MPC 5000 actually has 64 (active) slots on the mixer to assign program/patches to not the limited 16 you claim it has. This is a basic MPC function. Take a look at the Program Mixer section. 16 programs x 4 banks for a total of 64 active program/patches...which is much more than the MV. You can also load up 128 patches/programs in the 5K. You can freely insert any of these into the 64 mixer slots :oops:

While true, the 5000 is just a phrase sampler so there is no real use for the dual MIDI INs . Furthermore, the 5000 could have 320 channels but the fact is that the 5000 itself still only outputs 16 parts total at any one time.The spec is cosmetic.

False. The 5K can use 64 active programs and route these program to 10 analog or digital outputs. The MV could have 320 channels but the fact remains, it only outputs 16 parts total at one time. The 5K doesn't have this limit. The MPC 1000 and 2500 doesn't have this limit.

Brush up on your facts and we can continue to have a debate.....

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By mister_sosa74 Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:01 am
The MV8800 is a Beast compared to the MPC5000... You are better of comparing it to a MPC4000 which in my option is a beast...

I personally own a MPC4000, 1000 w/ JJos OS2, MV8000 and the Roland Fantom XA and I love the features that each units specializes in. In my opinion the 5000 was not made to be the Flagship (father) of the MPC series. But hey it doesnt matter what you use as long as you could produce some good music.

Sosa
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:11 am
mister_sosa74 wrote:The MV8800 is a Beast compared to the MPC5000... You are better of comparing it to a MPC4000 which in my option is a beast...

I personally own a MPC4000, 1000 w/ JJos OS2, MV8000 and the Roland Fantom XA and I love the features that each units specializes in. In my opinion the 5000 was not made to be the Flagship (father) of the MPC series. But hey it doesnt matter what you use as long as you could produce some good music.

Sosa


Why would I do that? Any of the new MPCs can assign a different program to each track giving you at least 64 patches/instruments going. The MV only gives you 16. This is weak and there is no other way to put it. I have no need for a workstation that gives me only 16 channel multi-timbral operation.

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By diegoeskryptic Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Sovereign wrote:
diegoeskryptic wrote:
But yeah, I sold my 5k about 10 mins ago. So contrary to what your saying, someone was interested in it.


But how many times did you list it on eBay, was it 5 or 6?

You started listing it right after you got it just like you did with the Nottz 4k that you couldn't understand and said he was going to show you some how to use.

Just seems like you always follow the road of quick abandonment on gear then try to say it has problems.

Always makes me laugh when you post here or on the MV Nation about a piece of gear be it the MV , a MPC , the XS or whatever. :lol:

Maybe one day you will actually try to learn a piece instead of doing the short run.

:arrow:


It's needlz, not nottz. Two different ppl.

I kept relisting, due arse holes saying they were gonna buy offline but never came thru.

Second, why are you worried about what im doing with my gear. Go make beats. I never said any of my gear has problems. I've only had personal dislikes asthetic wise.

Third, did you even realize I had two MPC 5000's? I have two ebay accounts,

Fourth, this time around, I sold my gear for financial reasons. I like how ppl get all the facts, but miss the most important facts.

All the equipment, I recently sold, I will repurchase again after these waves of job layoffs pass over. ANd like I said in another post, I have medical bills to take care of. I don't do insurance. Strictly cash...

Around feburary, I should be back in the game...

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By moyphee Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:46 pm
Askia Shaheed wrote: The MV only gives you 16. This is weak and there is no other way to put it. I have no need for a workstation that gives me only 16 channel multi-timbral operation.



First off, the MV gives 6 banks/patch compared the 3500's abbreviated 4.- Even at 16 parts the MV has 512 more available sounds in a standard config.

When in Multi-timbral mode the Audio Phrases can be controlled by MIDI. That's 32 banks of drums/phrases in addition to the 16 parts. That's a total of 1024 sounds. Hey Jahbronie there's more.

The Patch Library can be played in live while a sequence is playing. The Patch Library holds 128 patches with 6 banks per patch. That's an additional 11,136 sound that are active. ....+ 8 stereo Audio Tracks!

Total active sound count in the MV at one time: 12,160 samples + 8 stereo Audio Tracks :P



The next time you want to resort to counting sounds make sure you know what you're talking about. Instead of beefing with those dudes over at MVN you might try searching and reading. At least then it wouldn't be so easy to sh!t on your rumors and misinformation.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:15 pm
Stop talking around the issue. I am not talking about individual sounds/samples (called partials in an MV)..certainly not talking about what can be held in memory and banks.

The most highly hyped feature of the MV and MPC 4000 is keymap/keygroup type patches/programs. How many patches can be played at one time in the MV? The answer is only 16 patches..one per part. You can only have 16 instruments/patches playing at once. This is how the MV works...this is how my Fantom G works. You can only use 16 instruments at one time no matter how many you have loaded. An MP gives you 64...one for each track. Didn't you know a basic function of an MP allows you to assign an instrument/program/patch to every track? One more time for added effect....64 active instruments (not individual sounds) can be played.

A laugh everytime I hear someone talk about keymap/keygroup programs coming from someone that uses an MV.

While we are discussing Roland gear....throw your MV out the window and get yourself a Fantom G if you lobe Roland technology so much. While you are trying to figure out how to keep resampling audio in order to free up the single FX processor of the MV, the Fantom G gives you an FX processor for each Part. So while the Fantom G is stuck with the same limited 16 parts like the MV, at least you can have a different one of Roland's 'amazing' effects for each instrument without having to resample anything.

Holla at me if you need me to explain this more slowly for you.
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