TC and Grid Edit

I'm tapping in some drums with TC set to OFF.

When I go into GRID EDIT I'm 'zoomed' in so far that I cannot see the relation of my drums to each other.

While in GRID EDIT I set TC to 1/32 which allows me to see my drums in relation to each other.

Question: Does turning on TC while in GRID EDIT alter the way my drums sound? (like how they would sound if I started tapping them in with TC on).

I've been experimenting with this and I think I'm hearing differences that aren't there (paranoia. maybe?).

Also, while in GRID EDIT and TC turned off, is there anyway to 'zoom' out and see my events with out turning TC on?

I'm looking at page 38 of the manual and I seem to be having problems understanding. I think I've come to the conclusion that NO, turning on TC while in GRID EDIT will NOT alter my sounds...

Any thoughts would be great.

if you turn off tc there is still the limit of 96 ticks per measure - your hits will land on any of the 96 "steps" that are the hardware limit of the mpc2500 - if you scroll enough you can find all your hits in grid edit.
there is no grid, because akai considers this mode not part of the grid steps.
to edit hits you recorded with tc off i reccommend using step edit, because there you can see the exact measures.
if you turn on tc it affects the current track which is active. if you recorded a track without tc it should not be changed if you turn on tc on another track. Caution! i don´t use grid edit so i don´t know if older tracks get changed if you turn on tc here, because then the other tracks must be moved to the grid.
just try a little and check the positions of the hits in step edit.

if you are using swing then grid edit is a little bit odd, because it can only show whole steps, but anyways i think swing and grid are two things that exclude eachother in a way, aren´t they?

peace jo

Also, while in GRID EDIT and TC turned off, is there anyway to 'zoom' out and see my events with out turning TC on?

this is a very very important thing to be able to do, can't believe they left it out. why TC and ZOOM are joined at the hip is beyond me - just because you're on TC OFF doesn't mean you want to be able to visualize every tick.

jjos's MIDI grid edit and os2xl's grid edit allows you to ZOOM and TC differently: ie, you can have the ZOOM all the way out while maintaining TC OFF. i couldn't live without this feature. just because a man wants to use GRID EDIT doesn't mean he should be forced into a certain TC setting!!!

but anyways i think swing and grid are two things that exclude eachother in a way, aren´t they?

absolutely not. GRID is simply a way of viewing data, and should NOT be directly representative of your TC settings. the way it currently works, a note with swing is simply represented on the block it is closest to

Thanks for the replies.

I was up late last night running 'experiments' and from what I hear it doesn't seem like turning on TC while in GRID EDIT alters my events.

I even dropped the TC to 1/8 and the events that were close to each other seemed to remain the same. I have only had my MPC for about 1 week and even I have to agree that having to turn on TC while in GRID EDIT to see your events just doesn't seem right.

I'll have to look into STEP EDIT. It looked a lot more complicated than GRID EDIT so I kinda brushed right through that part of the manual. haha.

Also, I've been looking into the JJOS and it seems that a lot of the excitement is justified. My concern, as a new user, is the documentation. I'll admit, the official Akai manual isn't the pinacle of technical writing but it helps new users (me) a lot. I downloaded the JJOS manual and my brain nearly exploded. I found a more localized JJOS manual that was written for the MPC 1000 JJOS floating around the web. Would I be able to use this to learn JJOS on the 2500?

Thanks, again.

Marc

(sorry, looks like some of this belongs in the JJOS forum)

I was up late last night running 'experiments' and from what I hear it doesn't seem like turning on TC while in GRID EDIT alters my events.

don't worry, it doesn't. turning on TC is different from APPLYING TC, in any edit mode - step, grid, main, or midi.

step edit is actually simpler than grid edit. step edit is basically just a data stream of your recorded events, their time placement, their QLINK data (if any), their DURATION, and their VELOCITY. step edit sucks cuz it will only show you 4 events at a time - this includes realtime data, which may be as dense as 1 event every 4 ticks. as you can imagine, this is nearly impossible to follow when you're trying to examine a busy track, making it all but impossible to record all your drums on 1 track (ideal in GRID EDIT, also ideal if you're actually playing the pads rather than hunting and pecking the drums in 1 pad at a time on multiple tracks)

regarding the manuals of jjos - the online ones are really easy once you realize that they're just a breakdown of the screens, screen by screen. it does nothing to explain the theory - it assumes you will go elsewhere to understand what ADSR is, or what REALTIME DATA is, etc. however, this can pretty easily be figured out just by outside research, trial and error, and logic. for example, MONO and POLY when applied to voices - this is logic, not booksmarts.

the jjos1000 manual written by stan steez is good for os1 and many of the things will apply to os2, but there's no english os2 manual.

i learned os2/os1 without the help of manuals, excluding the occasional dip into the online jjos manual just to confirm suspicions or find out if i was missing any screens. you'll need a basic understanding of what's what, and that can come from the original manual, but the sooner you start working on jjos the faster you'll get good with it. the os is intuitive, there's just more going on than in the akai os so it appears more daunting.

selecta jo wrote:....limit of 96 ticks per measure.......

96ppq ... 96 ticks per quarternote. don't wanna confuse people man!

^^^^ ah yes, thank you for correcting me on that. it is parts per quarter note not per measure. so thats four times 96 ticks for one bar (in 4/4). and if you use double tempo you get even 192 ticks per quarter. but that doesn´t help in this particular case, because akai decided not to include a grid above 32 steps.

peace jo