Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:48 am
I expect more than 16 parts. The Fantom G gives you more than 16 parts but you have to install those ARX expansion boards. I want more than 16 parts to be used with internal patches.

Since the MV is Roland's attempt to clone the MPC series, it should certainly have the ability to sequence more than 16 internal instruments/patches like all the latest MPCs. There is plenty of things I can address about the MV, which is the reason why it is still not the #1 choice for professionals. However, these will not be address in the MV-8800. Perhaps that will be address in a "real" update to the MV line when the MV-9000 is released next year.

As far as Roger Linn...using your thought process..every company is following his work. Ford invented the car..but you will never catch me driving a Ford. These new products are on a completely different level than the MPC 3000.

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By moyphee Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:41 am
It makes no sense to how anyone could criticize any unit when the unit being defended isn't capable of the task at hand in any sence. I think you've run out of things say seriously. This isn't even a debate anymore -just you jockeying for the last word.

Not only will they fix problems both real and "perceived", user feature requests will eventually make it to an MPC near you.


Good luck with that dude.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By bomb beats Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:31 pm
It's the same thing on every thread. You can tell some people that the apple is really a lemon. The majority knows what an apple looks like. Others will have to taste it and see!
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By bomb beats Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:15 am
Askia Shaheed wrote:
glide wrote:Yes the 4k is massive..
I've never noticed any bugs with the latest OS ... never!!
but aperantly there are some in very techy places (dunno when programing sysex.. or some destinations in mod madtrix .. I just dont know, as I never notice them .. and I do allot of seq and in depth sampling with it..

for me, quite frankly it works perfect!

the bug thing is hype ... look at the board.. you see any post with users complaining about OS bugs..

over the 4k the 2.5 has auto chop, patch phraise and better portability.. but the 4k has tons of features over the 2.5 and a way better UI largely thanks to the big LCD

its tight, its reliable, its fast and sounds great... no problems ever!! not even a freeze .. it just works!!


The MPC 2500 have more advantages that what you mentioned. The MPC 2500 has audio tracks, real-time pitch change (without impacting tempo), direct to track recording, and non-destructive chopping among other things. The "tons" of features the 4K has that the MPC 2500 doesn't can be added to the MPC 2500 by getting a cheap Z series samplers as I mentioned earlier. Since the MPC 2500 also have numerous Q-link sliders and knobs that send CC changes, it functions nicely with the Z series or any other hardware sampler. You may also want to take a look at the MV-8000 or 8800 which you can easily pickup for $800-$1200 if you are looking for an all-in-one workstation. Although they are not my personal favorite, they do offer numerous features that the MPC 4000 doesn't have while boasting a very powerful sampler and decent user interface.

Now, eat your words. ???

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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:00 am
Eat what words?

I have never said that you can't do hot music with any MPC or MV if you learn how to use it and accept its pros and cons...like the MV only having 16 parts and poor timing...the 4K not having any audio tracks or being intuitive to use like other MPCs...and the 5K not having keygroup sample programming. I have always let people know they have options when it comes to music production and no one machine will fit everyone's needs. I just personally use an MPC which I find to be the best at sampling and sequencing.

This is my final response in this thread and many others. I will only entertain a few threads in the MPC 5K forums that pertain to helping other 5K users get the most out of their machine. If you have a problem with me...send me a PM. I don't take any of this personal. If you don't like a specific MPC or MV..fine, than use what you have, stop complaining, and make some music...which many of you don't do or scared to showcase it...which is your right to do so of course. I am out....

Peace

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By moyphee Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:09 am
...like the MV only having 16 parts and poor timing...


I think it's interesting that you climb to a simulated high-ground while still taking groundless dogs at other machines . That is exactly what got this started. But not once do you mention the numerous bugs and instabilities of your own 3500.

I don't take any of this personal. If you don't like a specific MPC or MV..fine, than use what you have, stop complaining, and make some music...which many of you don't do or scared to showcase it...which is your right to do so of course.



It's extremely personal for you. In fact it's some kind of life mission to promote what you like as a superior unit whether really it is or not.


I am out....


yes...yes you are.

...about time to close the track on this train wreck I'd say.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By bomb beats Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:41 am
It's mighty strange that he called the MV's an all-in-one work station, a few months ago????¿¿¿¿

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By SiMKE Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:38 am
Let me put it this way dogg...You wonna produce hiphop beats get mpc but if you need hardware protools get mv.It happend that i owned mpc 4000 mpc 5000(just bought recently)and mv-8000 fully loaded.I gotta tell you that mpc is better.Mv has it's own advantages as it has disadvantages just like mpc.They both are powerfull machine you can't diss them.Who ever talk sht about either one they don't know thing about beatmaking realtalk.To me it's just this one thing i need my freedom all effects i need i have them in protools thats how i master my beats i don't need them on hardware all i need from my hardware is quality a tight sequence and a touch.After all is said you should test them both i go what works for you,and don't listen what people tell you..Here is one fact you can have best machine on planet but all comes down to ideas and creativity.Peace

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By moyphee Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:50 am
Let me put it this way dogg...You wonna produce hiphop beats get mpc but if you need hardware protools get mv.It happend that i owned mpc 4000 mpc 5000(just bought recently)and mv-8000 fully loaded.I gotta tell you that mpc is better.....

After all is said you should test them both i go what works for you,and don't listen what people tell you..


You laid out a pretty detailed opinion and then you tell him to disregard it. ???


Most importantly is that we were debating the functional mechanics of each machine not beatmaking skills.

Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By SiMKE Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:48 am
moyphee wrote:
Let me put it this way dogg...You wonna produce hiphop beats get mpc but if you need hardware protools get mv.It happend that i owned mpc 4000 mpc 5000(just bought recently)and mv-8000 fully loaded.I gotta tell you that mpc is better.....

After all is said you should test them both i go what works for you,and don't listen what people tell you..


You laid out a pretty detailed opinion and then you tell him to disregard it. ???


Most importantly is that we were debating the functional mechanics of each machine not beatmaking skills.


I understand man,time is money thats my whole thing.Why wasted fighting over gear
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By mr_debauch Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:09 am
the 5000 can do some cool stuff, if you like all in one jam boxes and dont have any other equipment. Personally I like MPC's for slapping a vinyl and cutting out a bit and playing with it... making something tight sounding... and then throwing it into the computer to mix it in with what ever else I think goes nicely over it. (basically any mpc can do that)

I just dont find the features of the mpc 5000 justifies the price.

Who cares about the 8 track hard disk recorder... i saw a tascam 8 track hard disk recorder go for 30 bucks on ebay earlier (it does help having the 8 outs on your mpc for that though)

the synth, big deal... for two and a half grand i can buy a synth/sampler/sequencer/workstation that burns the shit out of the synth on the 5k. I dont need to mention models.. anyways who wants to play synth melodies on pads... it isn't effitiant.

The effects, they are nice if you wanna mess around making funky sounding drum beats or what ever... but I prefer to add effects when mastering the track on the computer. And if you want to compare effects units and talk about who's is best... then it's a matter of taste. I like lexicon's reverb rackmount units or even alesis makes an ok one for cheap (comes in a 19" rack mount single space unit) Even some soundcraft boards have onboard lexicon reverb etc..


I just dont get what justifies the 5k being almost 3 grand with tax (here in montreal canada)
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:17 am
mr_debauch wrote:the 5000 can do some cool stuff, if you like all in one jam boxes and dont have any other equipment. Personally I like MPC's for slapping a vinyl and cutting out a bit and playing with it... making something tight sounding... and then throwing it into the computer to mix it in with what ever else I think goes nicely over it. (basically any mpc can do that)

I just dont find the features of the mpc 5000 justifies the price.

Who cares about the 8 track hard disk recorder... i saw a tascam 8 track hard disk recorder go for 30 bucks on ebay earlier (it does help having the 8 outs on your mpc for that though)

the synth, big deal... for two and a half grand i can buy a synth/sampler/sequencer/workstation that burns the **** out of the synth on the 5k. I dont need to mention models.. anyways who wants to play synth melodies on pads... it isn't effitiant.

The effects, they are nice if you wanna mess around making funky sounding drum beats or what ever... but I prefer to add effects when mastering the track on the computer. And if you want to compare effects units and talk about who's is best... then it's a matter of taste. I like lexicon's reverb rackmount units or even alesis makes an ok one for cheap (comes in a 19" rack mount single space unit) Even some soundcraft boards have onboard lexicon reverb etc..


I just dont get what justifies the 5k being almost 3 grand with tax (here in montreal canada)


If you don't want to play synth melodies on pads...than features like a synth or keygroup sampler won't satisfy you with any pad-oriented workstation.

Hard disk tracks. You don't need hard disk tracks in an MPC. But it is nice to have if you want to mix down your MPC tracks without using a computer or external device and then use its 24 bit export function to load these files into your DAW for mixing. I am not sure if the $30 Tascam recorder actually exports audio tracks.

Effects is a standard feature on MPCs this day. Akai could make effects as an option and I wouldn't lose any sleep. Effects were not a selling point for me.

MPCs have always been expensive. In fact, all workstations are. There are plenty of alternatives to MPCs. I think the MPC 5000 is worth every penny for what it does. I can't think of any product that I would buy today to replace it (in any price rance)...otherwise, I would.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By mr_debauch Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:18 am
Askia Shaheed wrote:
mr_debauch wrote:the 5000 can do some cool stuff, if you like all in one jam boxes and dont have any other equipment. Personally I like MPC's for slapping a vinyl and cutting out a bit and playing with it... making something tight sounding... and then throwing it into the computer to mix it in with what ever else I think goes nicely over it. (basically any mpc can do that)

I just dont find the features of the mpc 5000 justifies the price.

Who cares about the 8 track hard disk recorder... i saw a tascam 8 track hard disk recorder go for 30 bucks on ebay earlier (it does help having the 8 outs on your mpc for that though)

the synth, big deal... for two and a half grand i can buy a synth/sampler/sequencer/workstation that burns the **** out of the synth on the 5k. I dont need to mention models.. anyways who wants to play synth melodies on pads... it isn't effitiant.

The effects, they are nice if you wanna mess around making funky sounding drum beats or what ever... but I prefer to add effects when mastering the track on the computer. And if you want to compare effects units and talk about who's is best... then it's a matter of taste. I like lexicon's reverb rackmount units or even alesis makes an ok one for cheap (comes in a 19" rack mount single space unit) Even some soundcraft boards have onboard lexicon reverb etc..


I just dont get what justifies the 5k being almost 3 grand with tax (here in montreal canada)


If you don't want to play synth melodies on pads...than features like a synth or keygroup sampler won't satisfy you with any pad-oriented workstation.

Hard disk tracks. You don't need hard disk tracks in an MPC. But it is nice to have if you want to mix down your MPC tracks without using a computer or external device and then use its 24 bit export function to load these files into your DAW for mixing. I am not sure if the $30 Tascam recorder actually exports audio tracks.

Effects is a standard feature on MPCs this day. Akai could make effects as an option and I wouldn't lose any sleep. Effects were not a selling point for me.

MPCs have always been expensive. In fact, all workstations are. There are plenty of alternatives to MPCs. I think the MPC 5000 is worth every penny for what it does. I can't think of any product that I would buy today to replace it (in any price rance)...otherwise, I would.



well what you would buy to replace it ... we all know that the 5k is your soul ... However there are other products that do similar things, so you cant say the 5k is the only thing that combines a sampler, a synth, and a hard disk recorder. But you have to admit, it is harder to play a melody on pads then it is on keys, I mean the piano is a century old thing and no doubt the key system has been worked on.
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Re: Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

By Askia Shaheed Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:57 am
MPCs are my soul:

MPC 2K-->MPC 2K-XL-->MPC 3K-->MPC 4K-->MPC 3K-LE-->MPC 2.5K-->MPC 5K

MPCs have been one constant in my set-up. There is nothing out there to replace them. What other product combines a sampler, synth, and hard disk recorder? The Alesis Fusion is the first and only thing that comes to mind for under $3000. It does all of this.

Need keys? MPCs have two MIDI inputs...
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