Rules of sampling?

Whats goin on everyone. I've been making beats for a while off reason and I thought I'd start sampling to have more variety.

So lets say I sample a record, make a bangin beat out of it. Would it be illegal for me to sell it without clearance? If theres a link anyone could send me with more info on this it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Peace

Just do what I do - make it unrecognizable.

If no one knows where it came from, it doesn't matter.

ssnedden wrote:Just do what I do - make it unrecognizable.

If no one knows where it came from, it doesn't matter.

yeah.. a true producer can take a sample, flip it and at the same time nobody would know where it was from.

True. I don't think my skills are up there yet but its good to know. Good lookin on the fast response.

diggin24seven wrote:

ssnedden wrote:Just do what I do - make it unrecognizable.

If no one knows where it came from, it doesn't matter.

yeah.. a true producer can take a sample, flip it and at the same time nobody would know where it was from.

Yeah I'm working on that myself

yeah, i agree with all of that, but when you think about the most commercial songs of some earlier hip hop artist, they were all just straight loops of the samples.

it was a good day-ice cube
juicy-biggie
big poppa-biggie
here comes the g-mack 10
back in the day-ahmad

i know those aren't the producers greatest songs ever, but for the most part, there all their most popular. and are just striaght loops for the most part. back in the day was slowed down a little, and some other shit was done to juicy. but otherwise, production seems very simple on all these tracks.

they most likely had to get these cleared considering that they are big names in the industry. but there are actual laws as to how much you can take from a song without the consent of the person who ows the rights to the music

namotu wrote:yeah, i agree with all of that, but when you think about the most commercial songs of some earlier hip hop artist, they were all just straight loops of the samples.

it was a good day-ice cube
juicy-biggie
big poppa-biggie
here comes the g-mack 10
back in the day-ahmad

i know those aren't the producers greatest songs ever, but for the most part, there all their most popular. and are just striaght loops for the most part. back in the day was slowed down a little, and some other shit was done to juicy. but otherwise, production seems very simple on all these tracks.

they most likely had to get these cleared considering that they are big names in the industry. but there are actual laws as to how much you can take from a song without the consent of the person who ows the rights to the music

It's about 7 seconds or so.

I've sold beats and said "You're on your own on clearing"

But if you're not selling the CD commercially I wouldn't worry about it.

Yea, around 7 seconds sounds right. My aunt is a singer. she told me the same thing when I was first interested in production, I just didn't know how valid this was.

Thanks a lot everyone this info is very helpful.

yeah 7 seconds rings a bell. my dad runs a small law firm that does legal work for small companies and entrepreneurs, so i'm sure he would be able to give me a straight foward legal answer about it.

but again, if you can't recognize the sample in your beat, you ain't even gotta worry about it.

yo i dont think thats true, i be hearin that shit all the time but that shit is not believable at all lol does anyone know for sure?

Sell it!!!!!!!!!
it doesnt matter...
Unless your a big hip hop star no will care ....capiche?

It's not 7 seconds.
It's not 3 seconds.

Legally, even if you chop a nanosecond of a sample, flip it, filter it and reverse it,
you still have to clear it.

The way it works is that the copyright holders don't usually sweat it if you aren't making major figures with your song.
(Not worth the legal fees/time).

So unless you are all over MTV, BET, commercial radio, or get a placement in a movie or commercial,
you are pretty much okay...

Just watch out for those "cease and desist" letters...

on my production agreements I state that the artists is responsible for obtaining sample clearance. As soon as they sign its not my problem any more.

namotu wrote:i know those aren't the producers greatest songs ever, but for the most part, there all their most popular. and are just striaght loops for the most part. back in the day was slowed down a little, and some other **** was done to juicy. but otherwise, production seems very simple on all these tracks.

Back then hiphop production was closer to hiphop djing then today.
Instead of finding a nice break to loop on the 1 and 2, they looped it with their samplers and added their own drum break/ samples and other stuff.

Because of sampling clearance rules and the growth of hiphop production everybody started to chop their ish.
And of course there were producers how chopped since day one.