Diggin a waste of cash

"there are differenent methods these days just accept that."

Producers like you (again, no disrespect, it just is what it is) will log onto a website, and listen/download hundreds of songs a month, listen for loops, and simply add drums. Because most people don't dig, they assume you actually made the whole beat, and they say," WOW, YOU MADE THAT??" when all you really did was add a "boom-bap" to a hard to find tune that true diggers are searching for! Once you have 20+ beats like that you sell em cheap. You didn't have to actually BUY the records! You didn't have to waste any gas to drive to a record store. You don't get disappointed because you were 2 minutes late, and the record you really wanted is being bought by someone else..I mean, you probably have MP3's on que to download..you don't care that real heads take this craft seriously, would love to quit their jobs to do this full time, but can't compete with the producers that don't appreciate the craft and charge $20/beat! To producers like this, $20 is a $20 profit, to the rest of us, $20 for a beat that cost me $5 for the album, 5 hours for the search, 5 hours on digging, and a few hours to create, it's a slap in the face.
"Wax on, Wax off!" It's a much needed process just like diggin'. When producers don't care, and rappers see the producers don't care, no one cares. This is the situation we are in today. No one cares, and music today (even with the help of technology) sucks now more than ever! You know I'm not lying! But any "hot" CD today, and I guarantee you will struggle to find 2 really good songs (not including the songs with video's) Rappers "not the Mc's" have turned to downloading songs off Soundclick and Myspace! They don't give a phuck about the producer that made a hot 2 minute beat, and the producers don't give a schyt about their 2 minute beats either. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing..

I couldn't have said it better myself.

^^^ nuthin to do with me dude^^^


i do beats from the heart i got vinyl but i get better selections of shit to dig on-line, i dont spend money on records i dont sell beats to 20 dollars.

"nuthin to do with me dude"

I'm glad to hear that, seriously! I'm not saying never download, there are no rules to this game, but I think anyone that wants to make real Hip-Hop needs to understand the basics. Buying SP-1200's, ASR-10's, Vintage synths, and classic drum-machines will not replace the feeling of diggin' for wax. I have friends that produce and barely dig and you can hear the lameness in their music. I don't know what it is, but it's almost like a level of mediocrity that they just can't get past. Some of the beats sound good, but most sound like they put in very little effort. That's not to say that all diggers make dope music either tho, but to me, producers who dig develop a fine tuned ear for really dope sounds, not just loops.
It's almost like these dudes who rap, too young to know what things were really like, but claim they are Hip-Hop from what they see n TV. If you have never seen WildStyle, StyleWars, Krush Groove, or Beat-Street, a conversation is a waste of time. Diggin' teaches a history lesson on music from many different genre's. I'll just leave it as that.

diggin is more than just paying for records, and there are multiple places and things you can dig. You can dig online, go through the same process you would in a store. Really, whats important, is the value you get from it and how that effects the outcome of your beats. I mean, seriously, I dont just make beats to sell, i make beats cause i enjoy doing so and its fun. Part of the process for me is going to the record shop and searching through crates, to me, thats beat making, its fun. To someone else, its a waste of money........to each his own. There aint no right or wrong answer, what matters are you intentions.

its kind of like owning a nice car. Would you rather be the guy who can afford a nice car and buy a car someone pimped out, or would you be the guy who bought a rusty classic, spent the time and energy to learn, fix, and build it, and pimp it yourself? (or somewhere in between for that matter) niether is right or wrong, just depends on where you want to spend your time and what you want to get out of it and how it makes you feel in the outcome.

when you fix up that car yourself, you get more than just a nice car, you learn, you appreciate, you gain that sense of accomplishment. A monkey can pick a record (either online or on vinyl), a **** monkey can chop, a **** monkey can figure out a formula.........creativity and originality comes from the whole experience and process put together, not just one part.

i think a lot of people that have posted are just as closed minded about digging beyond records as the thread creator is as close minded about diggin beyond the internet.


it doesnt matter where you get your samples from. whatever you can connect to your mpc to get a sample is fair game.

but i do think that jpeg is biting the hand that feeds him by talking like he is. anything you dig from the internet comes from somewhere. if people didnt waste "time and money" by getting their hands dusty sifting through those records in the first place, it wouldnt be on the internet. and you wouldnt have anything to so conveniently sample for free and with no effort.

im not some purist thats gonna say "oh if you dont get it from vinyl it aint hip hop". but at the same time imma give respect where its due and not show disdain for something that gave birth not just to hip hop, but for you being able to get things so easily.

16 year olds donny...16 year olds...

jpeg wrote:i made some good beats while diggin, ill occasionally check record stores if im out of town but i dont go out hunting every week.

i find better **** on-line some rare **** that i dont see when im out, plus alot of them 70's album or rock albums may have one or two hot sounds to use but i dont like the rest of the album so why buy?

gotta rate mf doom showing that u can use anything sampling off tv, radio, youtube, my own records. but mostly mp3 off blogs or collection i got from other peeps, i know i alos heard madlib saying he samples anything tv or some sample comps where ever the sound is that what im on nowadays.

at the height of my digging must of had between 300 - 400 records but condensed it down to 100 as im finding more interesting sample worth material on-line so my collection on vinyl is pure only **** that i like to listen too and or has lots of records that i can go back to again and again and re-flip.

rather then me having 300 records most of which i dont like the sound of or only has 1 or 2 things to sample.

using online sources is dope cos its endless supply rather then me being limited to the **** i can afford or find.

but before i trade all the record that aint up to par i try and listen to em over agaion at different times of day, plus i try and flip sounds off it, it i find that every time i think the album wack then i know to get rid of it.

what did you do with the records you didnt know when you were done?

as u buy records u take chances some turn out to be good buys (good samples, good music) but there will be shit that u dont enjoy listening to but may have one or two samples so get what i can out of it then trad the record in and find something else better.

but now after 4/5 years of that i aint looking to spend cash on records on the regs used to go digging once a week nuthing against going once in a while but i find more of the kinds of records im looking for on-line and its free and i save time so its a no brainer.

ssnedden wrote:I stopped buying expensive records, I now wait for my opportunities and stockpile records.

The Music Exchange here in KC was one of THE biggest music collections in the world. The owner died and his wife decided to sell all of his records (over 250,000) for a dollar each. I was like 10th in line and got 250 solid, good condition, non-dollar bin records for $250.

So, yeah - even if they only had one or two "hot sounds" on them, it was so worth it. And only with vinyl. Just wait for opportunities like that, craigslist, storage auctions, etc...

I was wondering what happened to that collection when that place closed it's doors. Effing insane.

jpeg wrote:i find more of the kinds of records im looking for on-line and its free and i save time so its a no brainer.

I think you may be going about this the wrong way, you say you save time by downloading songs off the internet to chop? I don't have any problems with e-digging, but doing it because it "saves time"? That's a bit wack.

This isn't a job; it's a hobby, a passion. We do it because we enjoy spending the long hours looking for that one sound/feeling/stab and that feeling you get when you've found a phucking awesome record/song you know you're gonna spend hours turning it into something really dope.

E-digging because it "saves you time" defeats the purpose of making a beat. Your supposed to do it because you enjoy it.

Can we all just agree to ignore this thread? What's the purpose of this BS specially in a Forum section calld "CRATE DIGGERS" ?!

The first reply sums it up.

im very novice to digging, and living where i do, i dont have many chances to go out and do it. but, when i do get the chance i find it very fun...i often want to fall to the ease of mp3 breaks and things, but some stuff should just be done the long way so you know youll get that real sound

it saves times and also i see it as another sound source i find more the the type of records i like to sample on-line then when i used to go diggin.

also im at the stage where i want to devote more time to actually flipping samples, and developing production styles, mixing styles and building a library of tunes.

rather then spending alot of time looking for things to sample cos after 5 years digging i know what kind of sounds i like i got to the point where my taste in records was refined to the point where most times when i went digging i was not finding the kinds of records that i would like to work with on a consistent basis.

JPEG...
Please stop posting...it is clear you are clutching at straws to justify your process. If you are so concerned with 'saving time' why do you waste your 'time' posting on a 'crate diggers' section.
Do wat you do...but dont expect us to aprove because most of us are tired of your rants....
I have respect for anyone tryin to do their thing and make good music...but PLEASE! you sound like a bitter old man!

next person to rant on this topic deserves to fall into a very large hole and never return...dig your way out of that.....................