The MPC 4000 vs. 5000

Blue Haze wrote:Honestly I have use the sound library
that came with my 4k along with Hollow Suns
and others. And they sound great but my software
libraries sound fanstatic and layering synths, strings and
others is a great ease and wonderful thing.


I still sound design great unique sounds
with the 4k just my software has better horns, ha ha

The biggest selling point of the MPC 4000 is its keygroup sampler (w/ 512 MB of RAM). Since it appears you believe that software is best for this, why continue using the 4000? The MPC 5000 has a more streamlined sequencer, better at chopping samples, and more extensive control of external MIDI modules and software instruments.

Askia Shaheed wrote:The MPC 5000 has a more streamlined sequencer, better at chopping samples, and more extensive control of external MIDI modules and software instruments.

So let me ask you, at this point in time, of these two which one has the most stable OS to carryout their functions (minus what's promised)?

Askia Shaheed wrote:

Blue Haze wrote:Honestly I have use the sound library
that came with my 4k along with Hollow Suns
and others. And they sound great but my software
libraries sound fanstatic and layering synths, strings and
others is a great ease and wonderful thing.


I still sound design great unique sounds
with the 4k just my software has better horns, ha ha

The biggest selling point of the MPC 4000 is its keygroup sampler (w/ 512 MB of RAM). Since it appears you believe that software is best for this, why continue using the 4000? The MPC 5000 has a more streamlined sequencer, better at chopping samples, and more extensive control of external MIDI modules and software instruments.

Sorry the 4k is more than a full sampler it's layering, programming and
sound designing capabilities goes far beyond any mpc
currently on the market plus it excellent controllers and automation.


I only speak of software as additional sound libraries not
as a main sequencer for programming.


As for as any mpc YOU already said it on gearslut get
software and a 3k and never have to upgrade again your
Own words ha, ha, ha why choose I change from this
logic ii makes sense unless one has money to burn!!

Jah I'm curious from reading about the 5k I understand
the majority of the controllers are dedicated towards the
synth. How much are they dedicated towards the sampler
and track automation?

If you marry an MPC 2500 or 5000 with a software sampler, you have everything you need.

If you have software sampler the user's computer is full play. That said , a free DAW like Reaper, Temper,Aodix or Kristal (most free) completely eliminates the need for the 5000 all together.

If a person has the S-5000 and Reaper the MPC-5000 is unnecessary. There a free VSTi instruments that match the MPC-5000's synth and in the effects category it's a non-contender.

The point I'm making is that at any time the software enters the equation, the MPC-5000 becomes redundant or reduced to overpriced MPD controller.

5000 4000 whatever there is a reason why people continue to be bothered with them over software and an mpd/triggerfinger
I have mine

Blue Haze wrote:Jah I'm curious from reading about the 5k I understand
the majority of the controllers are dedicated towards the
synth. How much are they dedicated towards the sampler
and track automation?

The Q-links serve multiple purposes. When a synth program is up, you can use the controllers to make changes tol the synths parameters. You can't do this with the sample programs....in other words, you can't make changes to a samples filter parameters in Program Mode using a Q-link. But you can assign Q-links to control tune, level, cutoff, resonance, pan, attack, decay, and release of a sample in the Q-link Menu. You can record the knob/slider movements in a sequence. Additionally, these Q-links send MIDI CC messages to external gear. These can also be recorded into a sequence.

Blue Haze wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:

Blue Haze wrote:Honestly I have use the sound library
that came with my 4k along with Hollow Suns
and others. And they sound great but my software
libraries sound fanstatic and layering synths, strings and
others is a great ease and wonderful thing.


I still sound design great unique sounds
with the 4k just my software has better horns, ha ha

The biggest selling point of the MPC 4000 is its keygroup sampler (w/ 512 MB of RAM). Since it appears you believe that software is best for this, why continue using the 4000? The MPC 5000 has a more streamlined sequencer, better at chopping samples, and more extensive control of external MIDI modules and software instruments.

Sorry the 4k is more than a full sampler it's layering, programming and
sound designing capabilities goes far beyond any mpc
currently on the market plus it excellent controllers and automation.


I only speak of software as additional sound libraries not
as a main sequencer for programming.


As for as any mpc YOU already said it on gearslut get
software and a 3k and never have to upgrade again your
Own words ha, ha, ha why choose I change from this
logic ii makes sense unless one has money to burn!!

Sorry? You stated that software is far superior to a 4K when it comes to layering, sound design, programming, etc. The 5K is a better controller and offers better automation than a 4K. What I am saying is, use the 5K as a sequencer and controller and software for sounds. I can't understand why you are talking about the 3K. I stopped using that in 1995 and haven't looked back.

On the 4k you can control the programs and the others
parameters just like your synth be it the 4k only has 6 built in
controllers though you can link the parameters together
if you wish in the program matrix if you want to.

Yes a software sampler has more options and they can run more complex than hardware samplers.

I stated that the 4k is superior to any other mpc series.


I talked about the quote you made on gearlust.com about getting a simple setup of 3k and software and calling it a day.


Anyway what is really, really, really good is to get the mpc one has integrate it with software and then you have the best of
both worlds.

I may have talked about an MPC 3000 and a software synth as an option...but an option certainly not for me. MPC 5000 all the way. If not a 5K than a MP 2500.

The MPC 5000 has 12 controllers. Synth programs and sample programs do not have the same parameters so obviously the Q-links don't operate the same. Yet still, the 4K doesn't have the same level of control as the 5K when it comes to external modules and software synths. I keep hearing all this talk about the 4Ks modulation matrix. But what difference does it make if you use software synths?

Askia Shaheed wrote:I may have talked about an MPC 3000 and a software synth as an option...but an option certainly not for me. MPC 5000 all the way. If not a 5K than a MP 2500.

The MPC 5000 has 12 controllers. Synth programs and sample programs do not have the same parameters so obviously the Q-links don't operate the same. Yet still, the 4K doesn't have the same level of control as the 5K when it comes to external modules and software synths. I keep hearing all this talk about the 4Ks modulation matrix. But what difference does it make if you use software synths?

Sorry you`re mistaken software synths and full sample programs have alot of the same parameters. The difference is one is locked by the type of oscillater build in with limited waveforms and the other isn`t just what you put in. With a sampler Not a drum sampler mind you but a full sampler you can build essentially a rompler like workstation synth.


I`m not going into all the specifics again we discussed that before.


However working with software is an ease as far as excess to great sample libraries and making complex pads, combinations and etc. The layout is easier to understand to the possibilities. The 4k`s modulation matrix is very similar in fact once I started working with software more I could in alot of cases easily transfer the know how back to the 4k and build a similar program, intrument or patch depending on your unit which is why I said the 4k is the most advanced of the mpc series. But hey that is just me I know what I would be giving up.

Still rather than transferring or converting libraries back and forth from my software to the mpc I just work difference ways depending on my mood sometimes all in the box with the 4k as master. Or raw all sound designed in the 4k.


Anyway you have a 5k so on that note like you said just work with a integrated setup and you will have never a need for a new mpc again.

Blue Haze wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:I may have talked about an MPC 3000 and a software synth as an option...but an option certainly not for me. MPC 5000 all the way. If not a 5K than a MP 2500.

The MPC 5000 has 12 controllers. Synth programs and sample programs do not have the same parameters so obviously the Q-links don't operate the same. Yet still, the 4K doesn't have the same level of control as the 5K when it comes to external modules and software synths. I keep hearing all this talk about the 4Ks modulation matrix. But what difference does it make if you use software synths?

Sorry you`re mistaken software synths and full sample programs have alot of the same parameters. The difference is one is locked by the type of oscillater build in with limited waveforms and the other isn`t just what you put in. With a sampler Not a drum sampler mind you but a full sampler you can build essentially a rompler like workstation synth.


I`m not going into all the specifics again we discussed that before.


However working with software is an ease as far as excess to great sample libraries and making complex pads, combinations and etc. The layout is easier to understand to the possibilities. The 4k`s modulation matrix is very similar in fact once I started working with software more I could in alot of cases easily transfer the know how back to the 4k and build a similar program, intrument or patch depending on your unit which is why I said the 4k is the most advanced of the mpc series. But hey that is just me I know what I would be giving up.

Still rather than transferring or converting libraries back and forth from my software to the mpc I just work difference ways depending on my mood sometimes all in the box with the 4k as master. Or raw all sound designed in the 4k.


Anyway you have a 5k so on that note like you said just work with a integrated setup and you will have never a need for a new mpc again.

What are you talking about? I am talking about the MPC 5000s synth programs versus its sample programs (not software synths). They do not have the same parameters. They do not get the same level of control with the Q-links.

As far as never needing a new MPC again Naw brother man.....I am still waiting for an MPC 5000XL or MPC 6000. The best of the MPC 5000 and 4000 with the latest hardware technology.

By the way...you guys seem to lust too much over a FULL hardware sampler. What exactly does your full hardware sample provide you that a drum sampler (MPC 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000) doesn't?

I'm stating that the 4k has parameters like
a synth just like many workstations that is all
which is why we love a full sampler. There are
no limits to creating sounds and patches and modulating
it is a wonderful thing CREATING SOUNDS.

Konpakt, Atmosphere, EXS, MOTIF, and alot of other
workstations at HEART are FULL SAMPLERS of keygroup
!!

You got to love the manpulation of sound.

By the way...you guys seem to lust too much over a FULL hardware sampler. What exactly does your full hardware sample provide you that a drum sampler (MPC 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000) doesn't?

1.The ability to create multisampled instrument without resorting tedious manual tuning and mapping of every sample.

2. The ability play back multi-sampled programs exactly as intended without having to rebuild them.

2. Expressive tools such as legato and portamento to make organic , sweeping, or analog sounds stay true to source when playing.

4. The ability to split a keyboard at will without resorting to lengthy work-arounds.

5. Several different loops types to match the sample type or just to be creative in one sound design.

6. The ability to implement layers far beyond just velocity switching and stacking sounds.

7. Save valuable time and frustration by not trying to make a phrase sampler perform outside of it's intended purpose.



There's more but i think that makes a strong enough case IMO. you always ask others to justify why their machine or feature preferences are valid but I have yet to see a write of yours that makes the for the MPC-5000 not needing or having the same features listed.

My question to you is , what does a phrase sampler (1000,2500,5000) give a user that a full multi-sampler can't ? Prid pro quo.

* BTW- nobody is asking you about "my Fantom G".