Akai MPC 5000 vs Ableton Live 7

Ok so I am the original one who posted this question. I guess I am just a guy who is really not that picky. I do this just for fun. I also work out some of the arrangements for cover songs just for my local praise team. So this is really not about making money or producing a hit CD although that would be great. This for me is just about fun.

I think what I hearing here is that Ableton Live 7 which I already own is the best for producing and ease of use but the MPC 5000 is a great hardware piece and perhaps they could work together. Either way, works? Is that about the sum of everything posted? Either way is going to take time for me to learn.

I am an old dude so this whole process is slow for me. I do like the toys.

Thanks for all the help and I will let you know if I purchase the 5000. I am leaning that way still.

maybe you should donate the money to the church. imagine how many mouths can be fed for the price of your toy?

lamb2k wrote:When you use drum rack or any other midi instrument, If you click on the recorded notes it takes you to the note edit view on the bottom. From there you can modify the groove and a few other cool settings.

yeah but that doesn't equate to the mpc swing, is there a way ?

shrug, just don't quantize fam lol jk
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 3c2185278d

just don't quantize

from a thread in the 60 forum:

the average man wrote:you sound like you have a similar setup to me (once I've figured out how it all goes together)

MPC60, MPC3000LE, macbook pro, abelton Live 7, Logic 8

Sample on the 60, Save to Zip or memory card, Load zip/MC into MPC Editor, convert sound to WAV, import to Ableton, slave Ableton seq. to 60's seq, edit and trigger trigger samples using the 60 as a controller, Rewire Ableton into Logic to record...

easy, although I've not actually done it fully yet but I've been told it's possible.

[email protected] wrote:I am way over the top with this music stuff and I am old, like 57. Am I too old to be doing this?

f*ck no

Lampdog wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:

Nym wrote:any pc that takes 5 minutes to boot up/load its applications is not fit to be editing audio.

what does that have to do with anything?

5 minutes, alot actually.

A healthy pc will boot up in 42secs to 1 minute, I've done it and timed it with different pc's, no bloatware.

Optimized for audio XP will take about 35-50 secs, I've done it and timed it with different pc's, no bloatware.

No matter how old the pc, that's not the issue, there are always programs that can run perfectly fine on
older machines.

Man, I'll put my PC against any MPC any day. With Ableton Live and the padKontrol I can do what the MPC can do and more. I'd take dual 22 inch monitors, 2 terabytes of hard drive space, 4 gb of ram, and the fact that I didn't have to spend over 2 grand over the MPC. If anyone has a pc that takes more than a minute to boot, just consider not running an IM program all the damn time!

all those screens and terabytes of space and artificial intelligence you've got in your system won't help you make better music, the mpc is not about that thats the thing you've got to understand, the mpc is exactly about the opposite
of that. put it like this with all the stuff you just listed can you make better songs than your hiphop heroes did 10- 20 years ago with 6 seconds of sampletime -32 megs of ram??? sooooooooo

i'm not saying you can't do it on a computer I'm just saying there are others who can do it without a computer.
btw ableton Live doesn't have dual screen capability yet, i wish it did i love that program.

FredFrank wrote:all those screens and terabytes of space and artificial intelligence you've got in your system won't help you make better music, the mpc is not about that thats the thing you've got to understand, the mpc is exactly about the opposite
of that. put it like this with all the stuff you just listed can you make better songs than your hiphop heroes did 10- 20 years ago with 6 seconds of sampletime -32 megs of ram??? sooooooooo

i'm not saying you can't do it on a computer I'm just saying there are others who can do it without a computer.
btw ableton Live doesn't have dual screen capability yet, i wish it did i love that program.

No...Ableton Live doesn't have dual screen support, but my video card does! I've got tons of experience with hardware...I found that it makes more sense to utilize a system that's more expandable that adding effects cards or 8-outs. I started out with the EMU SP-1200, then I moved to the MPC (JJOS), and then software. To me, the workflow's a lot broader on software than hardware. And the producers I look up to used a lot more than the MPC simply because of the limited sample time. You'd be amazed at what true-school prducer's making good shit in Reason 4 and Ableton...Just go to www.myspace.com/mosaicmovementz and you'll hear my shit...the Breakdown track was made on the SP-1200 and tracked to the Roland VS-880...HARDWARE!!!

Well I have been using AL7 for a while. And I bought an MPC5000 now.
It is not better or less. It is different. I can make drums loops and performances in a way I can't with AL7. But I can make recordings with AL7 and add change sounds i cannot do with the MPC5000.

I did not want to use a PC anymore because it does not work well with my Virus TI. But coming months I will buy a MACBook and use OSX again. I want to see the combination work with the MPC5000. I think it will make me very happy

I love the human interface of the MPC. It is my first one ever. The pads are very stiff. I have to hit it hard to make the maximum sound. The dynamics of the velocity of the samples when recording drums. Maybe there is a little to much menu's to walk thoug, too many options. But I am still learning.

The nice thing of both Live as the MPC is that it is made for Live Performances. Maybe when using both, the possibilities of the performance are even bigger.

i used software few years before i jump on mpc.First mpc give you freedom its easy to work on you improve your workflow,but if you want sound quality use mpc for choping samples and putting raw beats and use protools for master,and you will get that pro sound.Another thing is i have one of the best sound card in the biz,and that is creamware scope 14 dsp that costs over 2000 euros ,i got it from germany,therefore it doesn't sound better then mpc besides every time you want to sample on pc it's drag and drop i takes a lot more time then on mpc.Anyhow if you want decent sound and save your money yes go with software with good sound card,but if you want digital pro sound go with mpc and software,combine ure mpc with software and good keyboard workstation.Last i got my mpc 5000 few weeks ago and am very happy with it.People talk about not having key sampler wich you don't need it really.I rather have one ch per track,it's all up to you don't let people fool you some will say that gear is bad just because somebody said some bad about it other ones don't have money to upgrade it and there are those they don't own one but they act like they do.Remember this is internet people make roomers.My advice to you try see if fits your needs and go for it.

Man, I'll put my PC against any MPC any day. With Ableton Live and the padKontrol I can do what the MPC can do and more. I'd take dual 22 inch monitors, 2 terabytes of hard drive space, 4 gb of ram, and the fact that I didn't have to spend over 2 grand over the MPC. If anyone has a pc that takes more than a minute to boot, just consider not running an IM program all the damn time!

No disrespect homie but what you saying is not true,i've put $8000 into my pc system not including software's(reason 4,protools,audition,cubase,waves(all)vsti)and bunch other sht.It doesn't comes near mpc maybe sound-wise.Software is cheaper hardware is better and thats that.

psychoacoustics is a b!tch