Should Akai charge a fee for future OS updates?

mr_debauch, your language certainly makes it appear you are upset. I apologize if I offened you in anyway....

Now that we got that out of the way....if you don't know by now, I am not some little kid that blows his life savings on music production gear to sell it a month later to buy something else. I purchased the MPC 5000 to replace my MPC 2500 (with JJ OS2). After using the MPC 5000 for 7 months, I am never going back to an MPC 2500 (which was previously the MPC ever created). The MPC 5000 is almost exactly what I wanted in an MPC for years (look at the MPC 2500 feature request threads I created). It's ok that you don't feel the same way. Its ok that you don't like 'Nukai' as you call them. I wish I could could share my awesome experience with you. I have received outstanding support from Akai and firmly believe this won't change. If people are upset because I enjoy using Aka products, that is their problem...not mine.

This forum is not ran by Akai. However ths is a great resource for MPC 5000 users to come share tips/tricks about using it. I would say to anyone that if you don't like the 5K, then use something else. What ever machine you choose, spend time learning how to use it and share your experiences with people using the same machine.

Back on topic.....

For the guys that are still having a hard time following...this is a BIG plug to put a Fusion type OS ($400) in the MPC 5000. I was looking at the manual this weekend. I was amazed at the possibilities of having that OS in an MPC. That is some next-level, MPC 6000 type-ish when combined with what the 5K already has. I don't know for a fact...but it would be hard to believe that Akai has this planned for the 5K. This is why I am making noise about users paying for this type of OS ($400). Akai is not obligated to put a Fusion into the MPC 5000. They are not obligated to add brand new features 3 years from now. The 5000 is a phrase sampler. The Fusion is a full blown sampler with a synth that is more powerful than any MPC or MPC-clone. This is what I am talking about. If you are talking about something else...you are way off topic.

ToOxSicK wrote:i will also put $500 that update with new features will be free for 5k.

I agree with you. Since I have received nothing buy great support from Akai, I wouldn't be shocked that they give us an awesome OS for free. I am confident that they will deliver something even the haters will be proud of. (actually, they will fllood the threads saying that the 5K should have shipped with these functions). But I am talking about something beyond that.

As of right now, 64% of the people that responded to this thread believes the MPC 5000 has a perfect feature set and only needs an OS to correct any bug fixes.

Askia Shaheed wrote:
As of right now, 64% of the people that responded to this thread believes the MPC 5000 has a perfect feature set and only needs an OS to correct any bug fixes.

May there also be included votes of people who don't have the mpc 5000?
Because first the poll was listed as "charge for updates yes or no" in general.

Most of the people who responded don't own or use the MPC 5000...I suspect.

the poll should have asked whether people would want to pay for an OS with additional features or not.

You basically only gave the paying option for future OS's and even though I dont think anyone disagrees with the idea, It seems that people disagree with forking over extra money for it. (But you didn't give anyone the option to express that opinion)



And askia, the reason why my previous post may have come off as being pissed off is because you dont respond to the solid points half the people make but instead change the subject and you get defensive about the 5k followed by saying people dont understand or some kind of crap that doesn't address their arguments. Every time someone says anything negative about akai you chime in with how amazed you are with their service and products... and then you say you aren't entitled to the features you are missing so you dont deserve them... man come on, who cares if you are satisfied with akai, and you like their products... that has nothing to do with anything. We all like akai and products they made man, this has to do with their newer products not being as good or as cool as we expected.

Askia Shaheed wrote:
Back on topic.....

For the guys that are still having a hard time following...this is a BIG plug to put a Fusion type OS ($400) in the MPC 5000. I was looking at the manual this weekend. I was amazed at the possibilities of having that OS in an MPC. That is some next-level, MPC 6000 type-ish when combined with what the 5K already has. I don't know for a fact...but it would be hard to believe that Akai has this planned for the 5K. This is why I am making noise about users paying for this type of OS ($400). Akai is not obligated to put a Fusion into the MPC 5000. They are not obligated to add brand new features 3 years from now. The 5000 is a phrase sampler. The Fusion is a full blown sampler with a synth that is more powerful than any MPC or MPC-clone. This is what I am talking about. If you are talking about something else...you are way off topic. [/b]

Ok... so now you are saying, this is in the plan, or is an option, officially... but they are using this thread as a tool to see if its worth it? And in my opinion if so, I think they shouldnt just judge it off this thread because most of the people that would probably buy it wouldnt come from these boards. I got thousands of friends thats got MPC's and that know nonthin about this messageboard, and those people that maybe do own a 5000 that would spend the dough would probably invest in it, as a matter of fact, you might get people that never even considered purchasing the MPC 5000 to consider.

Another question, so now, if the MPC 5000 was able to become the Alesis Fusion, would it still be fully functional as the MPC 5000 itself, or what would be lost adding the Fusion updates?

and you should update your poll again with the Fusion option

Askia Shaheed wrote:Most of the people who responded don't own or use the MPC 5000...I suspect.

Exactly, I was basing my posts on my 1000. The original poll didnt make it 5000 specific

Askia Shaheed wrote:
As of right now, 64% of the people that responded to this thread believes the MPC 5000 has a perfect feature set and only needs an OS to correct any bug fixes.

Well not really i voted that i don't want to pay for an update with new features,i didn't vote that am satisfied with current features.You been changing the poll.


And also i was mpc user for years and i never been on this board until now,i believe that there's many others out there that agree with me on this.

If they come out with jjos or something sort of for 5k,i will be done with akai because they have told me that update with new features will be free,that the only reason i went i bought 5k otherwise i would stick with 4k.I've spent my hard earned money on machine and i deserve for what i thought i was paying.

4dahaterz wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:Back on topic.....

For the guys that are still having a hard time following...this is a BIG plug to put a Fusion type OS ($400) in the MPC 5000. I was looking at the manual this weekend. I was amazed at the possibilities of having that OS in an MPC. That is some next-level, MPC 6000 type-ish when combined with what the 5K already has. I don't know for a fact...but it would be hard to believe that Akai has this planned for the 5K. This is why I am making noise about users paying for this type of OS ($400). Akai is not obligated to put a Fusion into the MPC 5000. They are not obligated to add brand new features 3 years from now. The 5000 is a phrase sampler. The Fusion is a full blown sampler with a synth that is more powerful than any MPC or MPC-clone. This is what I am talking about. If you are talking about something else...you are way off topic. [/b]

Ok... so now you are saying, this is in the plan, or is an option, officially... but they are using this thread as a tool to see if its worth it? And in my opinion if so, I think they shouldnt just judge it off this thread because most of the people that would probably buy it wouldnt come from these boards. I got thousands of friends thats got MPC's and that know nonthin about this messageboard, and those people that maybe do own a 5000 that would spend the dough would probably invest in it, as a matter of fact, you might get people that never even considered purchasing the MPC 5000 to consider.

Another question, so now, if the MPC 5000 was able to become the Alesis Fusion, would it still be fully functional as the MPC 5000 itself, or what would be lost adding the Fusion updates?

and you should update your poll again with the Fusion option

This is just me doing what I always do...trying to get the most out of my MPC....just another form of feature request thread. I talked about this several months ago when I saw the feature set of the MPC 5000 and downloaded the manual. Knowing that Akai/Numark/Alesis are all under the same umbrella....the Fusion was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the MPC had hard disk tracks and a synth.

ToOxSicK wrote:If they come out with jjos or something sort of for 5k,i will be done with akai because they have told me that update with new features will be free...,that the only reason i went i bought 5k otherwise i would stick with 4k.I've spent my hard earned money on machine and i deserve for what i thought i was paying.

Akai updates have always been free during the life span of the product. The manual states to check their website for updates which includes feature requests. They were not specifc which feature requests will be added. What type of features do you feel you deserve or entitled to? Do you believe Akai's statement implies that you will receive new features that will include a Fusion or an MPC 4000 type OS?

Additionally, you described identical problems you have in several threads. Everytime, it was diffult to understand what you were having problems with. If you do have a problem and want it fixed, you need to give specifics...a step by step guide on how to produce your problems. If you don't...there is a chance it won't get fixed.....

mr_debauch wrote:You basically only gave the paying option for future OS's and even though I dont think anyone disagrees with the idea, It seems that people disagree with forking over extra money for it.

Its ok if people disagree with forking over extra money. MPC 60, 1000, 2500, and 3000 users have the option of forking over extra money for a new OS or simply using the free OS updates.


As for any other additional comments, I am here for the advancement of the MPC 5000 and helping current/potential users how to get the most out of it. If you don't like the MPC 5000, then don't buy it or consider selling it if you do own one. If you have complaints, visit http://www.akaipro.com. If you want specifc features, join us in the feature request threads and/or email Akai. If you need repair work on your MPC, contact VST Service. They are also the best place to buy your MPC from. Need your MPC customized..visit Forat. Need tutorials/e-books, look no further than this site. I think I covered the basics. If you need help outside of these..I am sure someone in these forums will point you in the right direction.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

ToOxSicK wrote:If they come out with jjos or something sort of for 5k,i will be done with akai because they have told me that update with new features will be free...,that the only reason i went i bought 5k otherwise i would stick with 4k.I've spent my hard earned money on machine and i deserve for what i thought i was paying.

Akai updates have always been free during the life span of the product. The manual states to check their website for updates which includes feature requests. They were not specifc which feature requests will be added. What type of features do you feel you deserve or entitled to? Do you believe Akai's statement implies that you will receive new features that will include a Fusion or an MPC 4000 type OS?

Additionally, you described identical problems you have in several threads. Everytime, it was diffult to understand what you were having problems with. If you do have a problem and want it fixed, you need to give specifics...a step by step guide on how to produce your problems. If you don't...there is a chance it won't get fixed.....

You don't understanding my point,i am not talking about bugs.I've been around hardware long enough to understand hart of these machines and to know how to get around.When i mention that volume problem that i had i didn't had 20 min to explain everything in detail because i knew i could solve it my self by the time someone replays to it.The problem with that was that i set up my sample program to fast and something went wrong,later i created new program inserted same samples and everything worked fine so i guess i was navigated too fast.Not to go into detail about q-link because decay doesn't work but i use similar effect on mixer so i don't worry about it.There's some other bugs am not going into.On this thread all am saying about an update with new features should be free,and how we shouldn't let akai take an advantage of us because they fuked up on first place,they should of have implanted features from 4k like they said they had done so.After we get an update with correction then they can come out with update with fusion or whatever you were suggested and i won't have problem with it.But to leave 5k with features it currently has and make people pay for features such as key-group.NO a hell no,i'll be first 5k owner to send them back my machine,i been in this game too long to let them make a fool outta me or to let them get rich.They want make money they gonna have to earn it.THATS THAT

THANK YOU

ToOxSicK, do you think things out or just simply reply to reply?

First you claim Akai lied to you, which they didn't. The MPC 5000 is clearly marketed as a phrase sampler but you say they owe you keygroups It is not a keygroup sampler, it was never advertised to be a keygroup sampler...and if you wanted that feature, you should have purchased a used MPC 4000. Why would you buy the MPC 5000 and then cry about what it doesn't have? The specs were out several months before it was released and didn't change. Then you talk about OS updates with corrections but when someone asks you to outline your steps to reproduce a bug you claim you found, you act as if you don't have time to explain. So how does it get fixed without some feedback? Again...do you think things out before you reply? Because it appears you didn't think things out when you spent your 'hard earned money.' I am not trying to diss or offend you.

Askia Shaheed wrote:ToOxSicK, do you think things out or just simply reply to reply?

First you claim Akai lied to you, which they didn't. The MPC 5000 is clearly marketed as a phrase sampler but you say they owe you keygroups It is not a keygroup sampler, it was never advertised to be a keygroup sampler...and if you wanted that feature, you should have purchased a used MPC 4000. Why would you buy the MPC 5000 and then cry about what it doesn't have? The specs were out several months before it was released and didn't change. Then you talk about OS updates with corrections but when someone asks you to outline your steps to reproduce a bug you claim you found, you act as if you don't have time to explain. So how does it get fixed without some feedback? Again...do you think things out before you reply? Because it appears you didn't think things out when you spent your 'hard earned money.' I am not trying to diss or offend you.

He clearly didn't say akai lied by not including keygroups, he said they lied by not implementing features as you said several months before it was released. read his post again, he said once they fix the bugs then fine release a special features OS including something such as key groups.

there's another time you dont address points.

If there are some good points I feel that need to be addressed or acknowledged..I will do so. I am sorry if it doesn't meet with your approval.

Maybe you need to re-read what we both wrote. He said Akai lied by not making the MPC 5K have features like the MPC 4K. Dude...that means keygroups. What else would he be talking about? Keygroups is not an MPC 5000 feature. Nor was it ever promised. The MPC 5000s Key Features List states:

1. 64-voice drum/phrase sampler with 64MB memory built-in. Expandable up to 192MB RAM (4K is a keymap sampler expandable to 512 MB of RAM)

2. Three-oscillator virtual analog synth engine with built-in arpeggiator. Over 300 Virtual Analog synth presets included (No such thing on the 4K)

3. Eight tracks of Direct-to-Hard Disk recording (no such thing on the 4K)

4. Over 40 all new effects available within a modular 4-bus effects processor. Master compressor and equalizer (implemented differently than the 4K)

5. 960 ppq resolution (like the 4K but 5K has better swing functions)

6. Built-in hard disk drive (like the 4K)

7. Optional CD-R/DVD drive (like the 4K)

8. USB 2.0 port for computer connectivity (like the 4K but no Aksys support)

9. CF Type-2 card slot (up to 2GB) (the 4K doesn't have this standard)

10. Chop-Shop 2.0 - slices a stereo loop into individual samples with automatic pad assignment (the 4K doesn't have this feature)

11. Patched Phrases - creates multiple splits in looped samples to ensure proper tempo sync without changing pitch (the 4K doesn't have this feature)

12. Continuous Sample Track - ensures samples play in perfect sync no matter where you start the beat in a loop (the 4K doesn't have this feature)

13. 12 Q-link controllers for internal automation, external MIDI control and quick parameter editing (the 4K doesn't have the level of control as the 5K)

14. 240 x 128 hinged backlit LCD (4K screen is larger and better quality)

15. 10 built-in analog outputs, plus 8 ADAT-optical outputs and stereo S/PDIF IO (4K needs a $400 expansion board to have these)

16. Powerful new multimode filter (unlike the 4K)

17. Two MIDI inputs and Four MIDI outputs (just like the 4K)

18. Turntable phono inputs with RIAA pre-amp (like the 4K)

19. XLR / 1/4" combo jacks with selectable mic/line levels (like the 4K?)

You said that he stated "once they fix the bugs then fine release a special OS??) What does that mean? In one moment he is too busy to detail bugs he claims he found..which means they don't exist or he doesn't care if they are fixed. Then you imply he means that a special release OS is ok after the bug fix. I am confused. You mean the feature request of 'promised' features that should have came before the 5K was released? Or do you mean Akai is obligated to give users keygroups although this unit was designed to be that type of sampler?

Don't get worked up or offended...but if you really want to address some points..please come with it.

Personally, this is not the way I had hoped this thread would go. But the one thing I really hope for the future.....is that some of the kids around here finally settle on a piece of gear and then learn how to use it....instead of buying something that didn't research and then complain that it doesn't have the features they require. Find a machine you like...find a good support forum related to that machine to spend your free hours....and then make some music. That is my best advice.

Now can I get back to my dream MPC? Thanks.

Askia Shaheed wrote:Now can I get back to my dream MPC? Thanks.

You'll never get back to your dream MPC on the forums arguing about it in here with us.. lol

oh and p.s. the thing that was said about a special OS... to be more clear, all toxxsick was saying is what everyone else (including you) was saying; OK fine, create an OS consisting of newer special features and bonus abilities (call it what you will) .. BUT, before focussing on that, focus on getting the machine to work as it was intended. (get all the pre-advertized features running properly)

What? You can address specific points?

No..he wasn't asking for just bug fixes. He wants the MPC 5000 to have the exact same OS as the MOC 4000 immediately because that is what he believe he paid for...

JAHROME

You sound like akia sales person maybe they should hire you,they might get their sales up.
You denied every fact and you keep on advertising the product.No point for me to debate with you cause you will never admit that your wrong on some things you say/said.
I love my 5k cause it sounds better then previous models,feature-wise 4k shts on 5k.

NAMM 2008 listen what dude said when asked difference between 4k and 5k.
If i didn't lost my hearing in process cat said it has all features that 4k plus has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMMcYFOE ... re=related