The Fate of OS2, Now with OS2XL...

hey, i think this is a horrible idea.

frankly, i am interested in seeing the development of os2xl, which i am using, unhindered by the development, testing, and discussion of an older os.

i really hope this doesn't happen, both on YOUR side, and on jj's side. doing so would potentially spell death for both os's.

if os2 is what you want, you need to stick with os2.
if the pull of 2xl's additional features overcomes its removed features, go to 2xl.

if neither is enough, find a new platform. please please please do not make things more complicated than they need to be.

all due respect.

along the lines of making things less complicated: from the 2500 page:

Upload of JJ OS-XL is due to be carried out on January 12.
Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

Sovereign wrote:A petition is a forceful measure and would be the ultimate insult to JJ with all that he's done for the 1k.

i don't see it that way. the idea behind a numer of names on a petition is to show JJ that each name translates into additional cash for him. if he sees a number of people want this he will see the potential profit for him and will be more likely to do it.

but if a petition is seen as 'insulting', then perhaps we could use another method... but i'm not sure what that would be.

As Nym stated historically a new OS means the end of the previous, so people need to focus on trying to get the feature set and functions of XL headed in the right direction.

unfortunately, the lack of mixer automation & the crippled q-links means that OS 2XL will never be headed in the right direction for me and quite a few others. if you don't miss those features then you have nothing to worry about. keep using OS 2XL.

as far as our requests, however, we need to be realistic. JJ is not going to add major features from OS 2XL or anything that involves major changes to the interface. for example, there is no way we are going to see CHORD or ARPEGIATOR in OS 2. that involves changing the layout of the MAIN screen as well as major changes to how the OS handles & records pad events / sequence data. i can guarantee you that the reason that SIMULT PAD is so messed up in OS 2XL is because of those 2 features being added. big changes under the hood causing a lot of conflicts.

the other smaller features are more realistic for requests. customizable keys, SS level, pad event move to another track.. etc. quantize strength may be possible as well. i don't know. we'd have to see what JJ says about that one.

elevated wrote:Rinseout-- Thanks for the input. I think we could consider a petition if JJ isn't receptive to our official request. I'm interpreting your wishes for final OS2 features as the following:

1. Quantize Strength
2. Chords


Is this correct?

I don´t expect this for free since these are two bigger features, but yes, OS2 with those features would be perfect for me.

Nym wrote:hey, i think this is a horrible idea.

Getting JJ to know our needs? I´m not in a hurry so don´t worry, i will wait how things develop.
I bought 2xl immediately when it was released, looks and feels great, but you know my issue.

Nym wrote:frankly, i am interested in seeing the development of os2xl, which i am using, unhindered by the development, testing, and discussion of an older os.

as stated previously, OS 2 is mostly complete & bug-free. the requested code additions have already been written. hardly any development or testing is required.

if you can't handle people discussing an older OS, what can i say? fix OS 2XL and i'll be on board.
unfortunately, JJ already stated that's not going to happen so i'm done with 2XL.

i really hope this doesn't happen, both on YOUR side, and on jj's side. doing so would potentially spell death for both os's.

complete nonsense. i don't know where you get this.
all this spells is more satisfied customers, more options for the end user, and more cash for JJ.

Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

now this is complete bullsh1t. JJ's way or the highway.

so if someone wants to use JJ OS they have to give up automation, q-links, etc..?
what about those 2 perfectly good (& mostly bug-free) OS's ?

JJ is having trouble making his rent, and now he's making all the MPC users suffer ?
complete insanity.

doesn't he realize he's going to get LESS sales this way ?!

Let's keep this positive everyone... No need to be ruffling feathers.

A few points in response to what people posted:

- There is no need for this request to take up much of JJ's programming bandwidth. If they deem our request too difficult, they simply won't do it. I don't think any of us really know how time-consuming these changes will be to implement. Unless Nym really is JJ, afterall.

- Let's not censor our final list of the things we would like to have included in OS2, in terms of perceived difficulty to program. We can present a list of features in order of our group's average priority, and let JJ decide what is easily feasible. We might be surprised at which suggestions are easiest to retrofit.

Ultimately, I may not even pursue the final refinement of OS2 unless more people express interest...

The reality of it all is that it's somewhat like asking Apple to add features to OS9 that are in OSX.
They have moved on and that's what JJ has done.
Your only real option would be to move to XL and try to impact it developement.

Sooty_G wrote:

Nym wrote:frankly, i am interested in seeing the development of os2xl, which i am using, unhindered by the development, testing, and discussion of an older os.

as stated previously, OS 2 is mostly complete & bug-free. the requested code additions have already been written. hardly any development or testing is required.

if you can't handle people discussing an older OS, what can i say? fix OS 2XL and i'll be on board.
unfortunately, JJ already stated that's not going to happen so i'm done with 2XL.

i really hope this doesn't happen, both on YOUR side, and on jj's side. doing so would potentially spell death for both os's.

complete nonsense. i don't know where you get this.
all this spells is more satisfied customers, more options for the end user, and more cash for JJ.

Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

now this is complete bullsh1t. JJ's way or the highway.

so if someone wants to use JJ OS they have to give up automation, q-links, etc..?
what about those 2 perfectly good (& mostly bug-free) OS's ?

JJ is having trouble making his rent, and now he's making all the MPC users suffer ?
complete insanity.

doesn't he realize he's going to get LESS sales this way ?!

Couldn't agree more. I was planning on buying OS1 and 2 for my new 2500. Now they're gone. My only recourse is to find someone willing to accept the limitations of OS2XL so I can buy their OS1 and 2. And JJ loses a sale. I have no interest in OS2XL in its current state.

we need to get ahold of jj and tell him to at least keep the old versions up but not for sale/no more bug fixes. NYM HIT THAT MAN UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.


now i imagine selling an mpc with os1 and os2 on it will up the price a pretty penny.

Sooty_G wrote:

Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

now this is complete bullsh1t. JJ's way or the highway.

so if someone wants to use JJ OS they have to give up automation, q-links, etc..?
what about those 2 perfectly good (& mostly bug-free) OS's ?

JJ is having trouble making his rent, and now he's making all the MPC users suffer ?
complete insanity.

doesn't he realize he's going to get LESS sales this way ?!

You do understand that part of the reason JJ has accomplished so much is because he is not driven by the $$$$$.
Even worse is that Akai could be reaping the benefits of his ability if Akai Japan hadn't been somewhat scandalous in their business practices.

If JJ doens't program another line of code for the 1k/2500 it wouldn't matter since he has already exceeded any expectations.
Those who were around for the original 1k release fully understand this.

If he would drop the Arp and Chord function, then re-up a few of the OS2 functions, XL would be a wrap.

If you want to get a petition started it should directed at Aka and that mess they call an OS.
Between the lack of developement and the original pads on the 1k, Akai is a lot worse than JJ could ever be.

EducatedHands wrote:we need to get ahold of jj and tell him to at least keep the old versions up but not for sale/no more bug fixes. NYM HIT THAT MAN UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.


now i imagine selling an mpc with os1 and os2 on it will up the price a pretty penny.

I'm not sure, but it seems you cannot buy os1 or 2 separately anymore, but if you buy 2xl you got access to all of them. I thought os1 was a platform for os2?

I'm not gettin why peeps make so much noise when os is in very early stage of development. I'm thinking about os1 v.1.06 or better akai 1.06..

Bugfix wrote:

EducatedHands wrote:we need to get ahold of jj and tell him to at least keep the old versions up but not for sale/no more bug fixes. NYM HIT THAT MAN UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.


now i imagine selling an mpc with os1 and os2 on it will up the price a pretty penny.

I'm not sure, but it seems you cannot buy os1 or 2 separately anymore, but if you buy 2xl you got access to all of them. I thought os1 was a platform for os2?

I'm not gettin why peeps make so much noise when os is in very early stage of development. I'm thinking about os1 v.1.06 or better akai 1.06..

I'm makin' noise 'cause I just got a 2500 and JJ stopped selling OS 1 and 2.

At this time, the free OS is the only OS currently available from JJ for the 2500.

Based on JJ's OS comparison chart and manual, OS 1 and 2 are the best fit for my needs and the douche has done away with both of them.

I hear you but read that carefully:

Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

I read it as: you must buy it ina package os1+os2+xl

I just noticed that they are in fact not avail to dwnload, that's weird.
Your best bet would be ask jj about it, I don't belive he burried excellent oses, months of work just like that.

Bugfix wrote:I hear you but read that carefully:

Moreover, sale of OS1 and OS2 was ended.
Only XL is sold from now on.

I read it as: you must buy it ina package os1+os2+xl

The catch is, OS2XL isn't available for purchase for the 2500 yet.