making a sample into a keyboard

babar141 wrote:OK OK OK im SORRY, LETS START FROM FRESH! i just gotta little upset, SO i hope u all can 4give me...U GUYS R MASTERS!

You aint gottah KISS ASS just stop being one....

What you were asking about is essentially a KEYGROUP PROGRAM.

These can be tedious to create manually as you would need to sample quite a few notes to make it sound realistic.

If you have access to any AKAI format sample discs you'll find some keygroup programs there to get u started.

There is a link to the MPC4000 pre-installed factory sounds within the following thread which may be of interest to you...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=104924

babar141 wrote:U mean to tell me that i gotta samlpe all the notes, common man, there should be a option were i can take a sample and spead it all over the keys...

THere is, and it's very simple, and sounds very very bad even a few keys away from the original sample's root key.
Program-->KG Mix(F2)-->Pitch(f3)-->SPan-->Low-->Hi

Very easy.

Wanna guess why a motif/Triton/fantom piano sounds ok ? Not only do they sample at least every 3rd note, but the really good motif & roland srx piano patches sample each of the 88 notes 4 TIMES each !!!! once very quiet/softly struck, 1nce struck hard, and 2 in between, for each of the 88 keys !!! Then programmers loop each sustain to save memory, then apply ambiance/FX/adsr/etc. This is not easy or fast to make beautiful sounds.

Spreading 1 sample over even one 12-key octave is already gonna sound like sh!t on the high end and low end.
I think from what you've shown in your posts, setting up keygroups will be too hard. Just go buy a mega simple sampler like an ASR that auto-transposes everything the second you hit a root key. ASR= record the sample and touch one of the keys, then the sample is instantly spread across the entire range. But mind you the higher you play the faster it will play through the sound, and the lower a note you play, the slower it will sound. THis is how all samplers change pitch. There are synths that transpose equally, but then the sound will sound even worse synthetic quality.

If you are too lazy to put any effort in, (like sampling several keys), you aren't gonna get sh!t out.
Good luck babar.

hi everybody,it's my first post here

i'm trying to lay a sample over keyboard and i figured out how to change pitch of a sample to a "track" in the zone area so it gives me pitch of a note/pad but i can't figure how to assign one sample to all the pads in all banks at once (and then probably change to "track" pitch parameter in all of them)

at least that's what i think i must do to achieve this keyboard thing...maybe i'm wrong? and i can't believe that i need to assign it to pads one by one so it must be there somewhere

and the post above - that span-low-hi - looks like it might be it but i've got here only pan for adjusting stereo field,don't work other way

other thing i can't figure is how to set to default monitoring option to "multi" ? always when i start making track i'll change it from sample or program to multi,after a few "whoaaaaam tshhhhhh" in my face

tdk wrote:hi everybody,it's my first post here

i'm trying to lay a sample over keyboard and i figured out how to change pitch of a sample to a "track" in the zone area so it gives me pitch of a note/pad but i can't figure how to assign one sample to all the pads in all banks at once (and then probably change to "track" pitch parameter in all of them)

Make sure you have a keygroup program. Go to Pitch page and span parameter and set the lo and hi span from c-2>G8 and volla it is done. From your question is sounds like you are trying to play by pads wrong way connect a midi keyboard to play keygroups and leave the pads for drum programs.

at least that's what i think i must do to achieve this keyboard thing...maybe i'm wrong? and i can't believe that i need to assign it to pads one by one so it must be there somewhere

Understand that pitch sounds represent a key just like on a piano each key has a pitch so you can play a scale. Since we are using samples aka real sounds you have to do as written about to get real sounding pitches sample every other note of a specific key for traditional instruments to escape the mickey mouse effects. However for synth sounds you can use one or two samples these is sampling basics get a guide and read up on it. That is why sampling libraries is so expensive cuz pros record, edit, loop, and assign carefully each note to make it realistic. Alot of time and effort.

and the post above - that span-low-hi - looks like it might be it but i've got here only pan for adjusting stereo field,don't work other way
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Span means range of the keygroup once the root note is set. Again read on sampling basics different from pan in the zone page.

other thing i can't figure is how to set to default monitoring option to "multi" ? always when i start making track i'll change it from sample or program to multi,after a few "whoaaaaam tshhhhhh" in my face

I don`t get what you are doing. Understand a keygroup program can contain as many keygroups aka notes as you need. But the top of the program header where you see the moniter is global it covers everything in the program. You simply set monitor to multi for all. Go to zone page and you will see edit in the block change that from one to all. Then each new keygroup you create with me with a monitor multi setting.


Read the first two pages of the mpc users manual to understand keygroups programs and drum programs.

great to see such answer,i'll try in the evening
thanks!

and as for sounds with transposed pitch - i like that 'mickey mouse' effect,for me its great and it's also part of a history (doesn't a lot of hip hop/house was made on emu sp sampling just one sound/chord and scaling it over 12 keys ?) it was forced to be like this due to limited memory,on the other hand sampler shows its character when we do this...anyway i like it and use it well,i'm not aiming for realistic sounding piano when i do this.

Then it is easy sample a whole note, assign to c3 and set the span c-1 to G8 with track on you are set to go. Go to programs and set the polphony to 1 and mute group to 1 to cut each other off and bam you are on some rza sht. You can do the same with 16 levels set to pitch. However with keygroups you can get real low slow pitches to build a beat around aka SUB CRAZY method man sht. But you have to work out the tempo for the keys once you do it.


If you are after the Kanye sped up effect all you do it change tuning in sample edit page. Go to bpm page and set to tune to sped up a 2 to 4 bar loop, check out the bpm set your sequencer and have at it.