Off beat drums? Dilla Lotus style.

EducatedHands wrote: receive head while you're making a beat.

Never thought of that, I'm gonna try that on the next beat.

heey i made a pretty huge post... and yall didnt even give a single hip thrust... **** man

:'(

Ldizzy wrote:DONT TAKE THIS AS AN ABSOLUTE METHOD.. just try it... its ONE WAY TO DO IT AND IF IT WORKS.. THEN TRY THE OPPOSITE, EXPLORE.. BUT AGAIN THIS IS NO ABSOLUTE...

a lot of advices were good according to me... i just want to mention its not about simply being ''offbeat''... there's a certain relationship between ur drum sounds u want to establish... when it kinda .. articulates itself.. or pumps...

a tip that really made me better at this is to :

1) Use short kicks..
2) use short snares...

3) Lay down a kick on each 1st beat of ur mesures..

4) Put down ur snares a bit EARLIER in comparison to the kicks... but dont make them even... and not later.. its a completely different type of swag...

5) THEN.. put the hihats and they are the most important i guess.. they make the whole thing ''articulate'' itself... and now u have to pratice them...

6) when and only when ur good at that.. try to vary the ''loose and longer sounds'' fromt he shorter ones.. notice most of these drums use kinda wide Claps ... ''spilled'' over the beat... some also use some longer and looser hihats on the downbeats...

those drums necessitate a lot of sensitivity towards rythm and most of drummers i know dont even understand they are different from a perfect 4/4 or a 66% swing...

and u can achieve thim with or without quantizing

have fun

I see what you are saying. This strange though to me, because all of the greatest drummers in the world have always played behind the beat to get that crazy groove factor. There is a pocket right behind the tempo that makes the beats drag a little but somehow gives it a nasty groove.

Pushing the snare forward would create a pretty strange pumping groove.

yeah some beatmakers push it forward (i do often) but its not the same bounce...

again.. its just a method.. but i know that if u want to BITE dilla.. its a good way..

A wonderful way to create DOPE GROOVES and dragging effects.. is to treat ur drums as ''long samples'' (as they are samples anyways)... and just trigger them as chunks... like.. rec a serie of 4 hihats at 92 bpm and lay ur kicks at 95... and then try to lay em over.. play with it.. ull see... i used to do that a lot... using delay on some sounds helps too...

there are so many ways and its definately a good idea to try em... those modern hip hop beats are not easily conceptualized with the average drummer's mind (now if u talkin about the JBs or the roots its another thing)

Ldizzy wrote:A wonderful way to create DOPE GROOVES and dragging effects.. is to treat ur drums as ''long samples'' (as they are samples anyways)... and just trigger them as chunks... like.. rec a serie of 4 hihats at 92 bpm and lay ur kicks at 95... and then try to lay em over.. play with it.. ull see... i used to do that a lot... using delay on some sounds helps too...

there are so many ways and its definately a good idea to try em... those modern hip hop beats are not easily conceptualized with the average drummer's mind (now if u talkin about the JBs or the roots its another thing)

Word up to that. Good idea. And I understand the JBs and Roots grooves already. And I am not trying to bite Dilla, I just believe this style is heavily influenced by him. Plus you put Dilla in the title of a thread and people will look at it. LOL. But it was relevant to the thread.

And the JBs are crazy funky. I love them.

objektivone wrote:

Ldizzy wrote:A wonderful way to create DOPE GROOVES and dragging effects.. is to treat ur drums as ''long samples'' (as they are samples anyways)... and just trigger them as chunks... like.. rec a serie of 4 hihats at 92 bpm and lay ur kicks at 95... and then try to lay em over.. play with it.. ull see... i used to do that a lot... using delay on some sounds helps too...

there are so many ways and its definately a good idea to try em... those modern hip hop beats are not easily conceptualized with the average drummer's mind (now if u talkin about the JBs or the roots its another thing)

Word up to that. Good idea. And I understand the JBs and Roots grooves already. And I am not trying to bite Dilla, I just believe this style is heavily influenced by him. Plus you put Dilla in the title of a thread and people will look at it. LOL. But it was relevant to the thread.

And the JBs are crazy funky. I love them.

whut bout sum MALO or EL CHICANO ? DEM REAL FUNKY

ohh yeah perfect advice - sample in chunks. sometimes i'll sample 4 hats in one, or a double kick and when you play them normal they develop a natural nasty swing.

whats the res isnt it like 96 ticks per beat. your timing cant be that precise with the correction off.

nanoloop wrote:whats the res isnt it like 96 ticks per beat. your timing cant be that precise with the correction off.

I have pretty good timing. I have practiced to a metronome for 12 years. I have toured in bands, and drummed studio sessions. I am not the best, but after years of playing like that you can't just play really offbeat.

You gotta feel it. That's why it's called "feel".

Add delay on your MPC, set it to seq sync, go to the delay time (now synced to your BPM) and move it slightly. Then adjust the rest to taste. Never tried it, but just throwing it out there as I just thought of it. It's not a good dilla-bite idea, but it might be helpful for something else purposely off beat.

ssnedden wrote:Add delay on your MPC, set it to seq sync, go to the delay time (now synced to your BPM) and move it slightly. Then adjust the rest to taste. Never tried it, but just throwing it out there as I just thought of it. It's not a good dilla-bite idea, but it might be helpful for something else purposely off beat.

The best ideas are not stolen from anyone else. I like this idea too. I personally have discovered a lot of ways to do this in the past couple days, and many of the suggestions have helped. I love getting the groove off beat to the point where its just sitting behind the beat and makes your neck whip.....

Not so offbeat where it is too awkward. I tried that like some of these people do and I just didn't hear it in my sound, but that is the point of trying.

Thanks for the suggestion I am going to try this.

I also discovered if you want really offbeat drums track them on an SP404, because the buttons suck and don't respond well. Your drums will be really **** up and offbeat then. LOL.

try to get really drunk. so drunk that you can't even walk a straight line.
and then try to do your drums

Heartbeat wrote:try to get really drunk. so drunk that you can't even walk a straight line.
and then try to do your drums

This has been mentioned and is a great idea. I will need vodka though as I am allergic to beer.....
The only problem is.... I have toured in bands and played drunk every night and still can play.... not just MPC either a full live drum set with my limbs actually maintaining their motor skills. HAHAHA. I have been put through the most adverse conditions and can still somehow play drums.....

I think it could work though... I would have to be close to alcohol poisoning though. HAHAHAHA