MPC 5000 OS 2

Blue Haze wrote:

scd wrote:Akai forgets to mention the bug fixes and numerous UI enhancements/improvements of which many came from this forum.

Like synth program preview
Recording and editing Sys-ex commands (up to several hundred bytes!)
Copying and moving tracks and sequences keeping their midi channel settings
Locking tracks
Viewing MIDI activity on each track taking place on the MIDI IN ports in MAIN mode
Improved sample loading
etc. etc.

OS2 is fantastic.

Then I will ask you scd does it have multis and a matrix
cuz how else can one layer instruments and use our
controls, lfos and modulaters to combine and comeup
with custom patches??

Just questions cuz all samplers have this from reason, kontakt, s6000
and on?


You seem very informed!

I hope you get your answer. And I am not trying to downplay your second most talked about feature but.........

After several years of feature requests threads in the MPC 1000, 2500, and 5000 forums....very few people have mentioned this function. It probably wouldn't even crack a Top 50 list.

Maybe you should create a tutorial to show people how great this is....

Blue Haze wrote:

scd wrote:Akai forgets to mention the bug fixes and numerous UI enhancements/improvements of which many came from this forum.

Like synth program preview
Recording and editing Sys-ex commands (up to several hundred bytes!)
Copying and moving tracks and sequences keeping their midi channel settings
Locking tracks
Viewing MIDI activity on each track taking place on the MIDI IN ports in MAIN mode
Improved sample loading
etc. etc.

OS2 is fantastic.

Then I will ask you scd does it have multis and a matrix
cuz how else can one layer instruments and use our
controls, lfos and modulaters to combine and comeup
with custom patches??

Just questions cuz all samplers have this from reason, kontakt, s6000
and on?


You seem very informed!

I do not know those software samplers, but I do know the S5000.

On the 5k you have keygroups, containing a maximum of 4 layers
The layers have for instance pan, level, tune, velocity, note on/play sample control per layer. The keygroups have level, tune and pan control plus filter and LFO controls per keygroup (also velocity to pitch, attack and sample start)
Not sure what you mean with "matrix" though.
It's laid out very well for both drumprograms and chromatic instrument programs.
I can't think of anything *not* possibile really, maybe only layering programs. But one could be tricked by copying tracks and assign different programs to those tracks.
If that is the kind of multi you want?

I bought my MPC5000 last Saturday, so the timing of this news couldn't have been better! I've been thoroughly enjoying using the 5K, and now I'm sure I made the right choice. Thanks, Akai!

Damn.......Now I have to go get the 128mb ram expansion! This is great news! I wanted the extra features, but was already happy with it. Keep it coming Akai.

Did we get Individual track lengths? That's one feature I've really wanted.

high198 wrote:Damn.......Now I have to go get the 128mb ram expansion! This is great news! I wanted the extra features, but was already happy with it. Keep it coming Akai.

Did we get Individual track lengths? That's one feature I've really wanted.

No individual tracklength no. It has been lobbied for, but it did not happen unfortunately.

scd wrote:

Blue Haze wrote:

scd wrote:Akai forgets to mention the bug fixes and numerous UI enhancements/improvements of which many came from this forum.

Like synth program preview
Recording and editing Sys-ex commands (up to several hundred bytes!)
Copying and moving tracks and sequences keeping their midi channel settings
Locking tracks
Viewing MIDI activity on each track taking place on the MIDI IN ports in MAIN mode
Improved sample loading
etc. etc.

OS2 is fantastic.

Then I will ask you scd does it have multis and a matrix
cuz how else can one layer instruments and use our
controls, lfos and modulaters to combine and comeup
with custom patches??

Just questions cuz all samplers have this from reason, kontakt, s6000
and on?


You seem very informed!

I do not know those software samplers, but I do know the S5000.

On the 5k you have keygroups, containing a maximum of 4 layers
The layers have for instance pan, level, tune, velocity, note on/play sample control per layer. The keygroups have level, tune and pan control plus filter and LFO controls per keygroup (also velocity to pitch, attack and sample start)
Not sure what you mean with "matrix" though.
It's laid out very well for both drumprograms and chromatic instrument programs.
I can't think of anything *not* possibile really, maybe only layering programs. But one could be tricked by copying tracks and assign different programs to those tracks.
If that is the kind of multi you want?

Alright I`m back after getting home from the train a long ride indeed. Asking to get clarification that is all.

Yes a multi layers programs and assigns the outputs, effects, tune the whole nine. Check pages 37-78 in the S5000 manual it is all there as far as multis.


Why cuz we can do this with multis remember all full samplers and synth workstations cooperate on the same principles.
All hardware samplers including the S5000 does this too. Check the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP22Zi2d ... annel_page




Sorry By Matrix I mean sources>>>destinations so we can modulate the sounds just like in your mpc 5000 synth pages. You call it APM on a S5000


Samplecraze explains it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmTIz88bTCw





























http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdjP0dVJ ... re=related

Now when the numark guys explains the 5000 at the synth page with the arp he can in real time adjust the controllers to change the sound in real time or assign lfos, envelopes, and the whole nine. A matrix allow us to to do the same to multiple keygroups stack together to create new sounds also.


I knew you would get picture. It is a nice change to communicate with an informed user of your standing..

I look forward to your reply.










I hope that everything was implemented fully. And once again it is great that the OS 2.0 was FREE.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

Blue Haze wrote:

scd wrote:Akai forgets to mention the bug fixes and numerous UI enhancements/improvements of which many came from this forum.

Like synth program preview
Recording and editing Sys-ex commands (up to several hundred bytes!)
Copying and moving tracks and sequences keeping their midi channel settings
Locking tracks
Viewing MIDI activity on each track taking place on the MIDI IN ports in MAIN mode
Improved sample loading
etc. etc.

OS2 is fantastic.

Then I will ask you scd does it have multis and a matrix
cuz how else can one layer instruments and use our
controls, lfos and modulaters to combine and comeup
with custom patches??

Just questions cuz all samplers have this from reason, kontakt, s6000
and on?


You seem very informed!

I hope you get your answer. And I am not trying to downplay your second most talked about feature but.........

After several years of feature requests threads in the MPC 1000, 2500, and 5000 forums....very few people have mentioned this function. It probably wouldn't even crack a Top 50 list.

Maybe you should create a tutorial to show people how great this is....

Actually I didn`t think you had any idea what I was talking about but it`s ok. Scd got it.

Folks, comparing a stand-alone hardware sampler with something like an MPC is not completely valid.
Where the sampler concentrates on sound, the MPC concentrates much more on composing/recording/mixing and producing music. That said, and though the 5k has not the multimode you are talking about I think the MPC has a different kind of multimode that can actually do more.

And it needs a different approach:
You should see the tracks on the MPC as layers in a multi.
Assign different sample/keygroups- and synth programs to various tracks, set different (or the same!) midi channels to tracks and voila you have your multi. No problem.
In mixermode you can assign outputs, panning, FX sends and mutes etc. That way you can use the MPC exactly like a hardware sampler like the S5/S6, Z4/Z8/MPC4000.
But having the midi sequencer on board you can record your sounds and automate FX and program parameters.

as for a modulation matrix: again, that is something for real sounddesign, something a synthesizer and standalone hardware samplers focusses on.

I find it fully understandable that the 5k has not a modulation matrix in that sense. But it has more than enough parameters to tweak to set (fixed/non fixed) modulations on your sample programs. You can route LFOs to pitch, filter, panning and level, you can route velocity and pitchband and aftertouch to all kinds of parameters etc.

The mpc5000 is a "everything in the box thing" and to my opinion, with OS2 on it's way *the* "everything in a box" thing" tight now.

Not even the MPC4000 comes close anymore. Yes, that one has at least one advantage (the 24 bits sampling engine) but to me that balances no way with all the goodies on the 5k that the 4k lacks, let alone the difference in user interface. (I am NOT saying the 4k is bad, aux contraire, nor do I want to start a discussion about it).

So, coming from a synthesizer background and knowing many samplers and as former owner of a mpc4k, with all the improvements in OS2 there is not much I could think of that is missing anymore.

Variable tracklength and better reverbs. Just that

So just to be clear cuz I do all the things I asked about and showed in the videos on a 4k a sampler and a MPC you said isn`t valid.


Alright I`m not going to go there any further cuz people catch feeling over gear.


But to clarify your reply correct me if I`m wrong you have to do workaround like I did with my 2xl using outboard keyboards.

And I can`t layer programs just assign programs to tracks like I did with my 2xl also.

And if I want different sources assign to the same destinations, one sources to different destinations, or as simple as assign the mod wheel of my midi controller to filter cutoff I can do that with the new O.S. 2??

You see the same way you modulate the synth i should be able to do with the keygroup sampler!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLoRENBgCJA&NR=1


I never mentioned this before but I will now for the sake of clarity the MPC 5k already has a MATRIX. I was one of the early supporters of the unit on this forum.

If you read pages 117 to 127 in the MPC 5000 manual you would see that the matrix is build in for the synth section but there isn`t any for the current O.S 1 sampler section since it was a basic drum program. Those the matrix is hardwired most matrixs are freely assignable which the @@@@@ has.

Looking forward for a good response.

As a confused sexigenarian I haven't delved much beyond the midi sequencing so I don't know exactlly what these new features do. However in another thread I did mention that I bought the 5K as a desktop replacement for a keyboard workstation and found the lack of onboard sounds a bit awkward. However the feature which enables the 5K to play samples from Akai libraries for their rack samplers sounds intesesting.
Does this mean that once v02 is installed I can buy orchestral/acoustic sounds and get them to load over the chromatic range of my keyboard without having to multisample them?
If this is going to be possible where are these libraries available in the UK, I've tried the web but all that comes up are loops and drum sounds and loads of synths.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Neilgray wrote:As a confused sexigenarian I haven't delved much beyond the midi sequencing so I don't know exactlly what these new features do. However in another thread I did mention that I bought the 5K as a desktop replacement for a keyboard workstation and found the lack of onboard sounds a bit awkward. However the feature which enables the 5K to play samples from Akai libraries for their rack samplers sounds intesesting.
Does this mean that once v02 is installed I can buy orchestral/acoustic sounds and get them to load over the chromatic range of my keyboard without having to multisample them?
If this is going to be possible where are these libraries available in the UK, I've tried the web but all that comes up are loops and drum sounds and loads of synths.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Yes. Try S1000, S3000 sample libraries and such.

Blue Haze wrote:So just to be clear cuz I do all the things I asked about and showed in the videos on a 4k a sampler and a MPC you said isn`t valid.

No no no, that is not what I meant! I tried to say that *this* MPC5k has different focus than other samplers and indeed also different than the 4k.
Yes the 4k *sampler* can do more than the 5k *sampler* but the 5k as *mpc* can do more than the 4k as *mpc*.
I mean, I could easily put up a few video's doing things on the 5k and ask you "can the 4k do that?" knowing that it can't.
I am not saying 5k is better or more enhanced. It is different. And I *personally* find the balance of all features together on the 5k much better than on the 4k. Am I allowed to have that opinion?

Blue Haze wrote:Alright I`m not going to go there any further cuz people catch feeling over gear.

Please don't be offended. It's just my opinion. Like you say different people different approach.

Maybe I should be more clear and not trying to explain/justify things:

No the 5k has no multimode a la the S5/4k. But you can achieve for 95% the same thing on the 5k. + extra's.
No the sample programs don't feature a modulation matrix like on the S5/4k but has modulation slots for various modulations.

Is that a more satisfying answer for you?

So if your decision depends on the two above things:
multimode should not stop you.
modulation matrix: study the manual if the 5k covers the mod sources and destinations you would need.

For your info: the synthpart of the 5k has no modulation matrix either. All modulation slots have fixed sources and destinations like the sample programs.

No the 5k has no multimode a la the S5/4k. But you can achieve for 95% the same thing on the 5k. + extra's.
No the sample programs don't feature a modulation matrix like on the S5/4k but has modulation slots for various modulations.

Thanks for clearing that up but at least one should be able to control the 5k from controllers on a midi keyboard.

Mod wheel >>>>filter cutoff why not??

Please don't be offended. It's just my opinion. Like you say different people different approach.

No offense taken that is why I asked you a level headed guy.

For your info: the synthpart of the 5k has no modulation matrix either. All modulation slots have fixed sources and destinations like the sample programs.

When I said build in I meant hardwired (fixed) mainly the qlinks I guess for simplicity are all assigned to fixed sources to destinations. I have read the manual since the first announcement and I understood what it was just akai simiplification for the synth program by hard routing everything but in the same process left out the freedom to route several sources to say one destinations and the ability to route to the sample programs.

Thanks for the clarification and enjoy your 5k.

yes it is good that the O.S. 2 is free.

Blue Haze wrote:Thanks for clearing that up but at least one should be able to control the 5k from controllers on a midi keyboard.

Mod wheel >>>>filter cutoff why not??

Mostly because the MPC5k started out as an MPC aimed at a certain group of users. Not the group that uses outboard gear so much to control things on the 5k. I am guessing here, but also pretty sure

And with THAT in mind you can imagine it is way harder to change the firmware without raising all kinds of problems and maintaining compatibility with OS V1.

If you look at OS V2 from that angle, one can only say the programmers did an amzing job.

But actually the above example will be fullfilled in OS2 I think. You can set Modwheel to control LFO depth. If you set the speed of LFO to 0 I think you will have a static control over the destination set on that LFO
Need to try that!

When I said build in I meant hardwired (fixed) mainly the qlinks I guess for simplicity are all assigned to fixed sources to destinations. I have read the manual since the first announcement and I understood what it was just akai simiplification for the synth program by hard routing everything but in the same process left out the freedom to route several sources to say one destinations and the ability to route to the sample programs.

Agreed. That is not on the 5k. The 5k has a simplified "synth" engine for the sampler so to speak. But I personally still do think it is well enough for creating very nice sample programs.

But what I like most is the possibility to import about all the legacy sample formats from Akai.

Thanks for the clarification and enjoy your 5k.

Thank you and I will. Coming from the 4k this 5k is a dream come true for *me*. And I am not saying that as a betatester but as someone making music with it.