MPC 5000 OS 2

scd wrote:

AWW_NAWW wrote:

scd wrote:
Well you won't be able to load *every* sample program out there, but 128 MB is a decent amount of sample memory I should say. But if necessairy you can extend it up to 192 MB.

do you think it possible for akai to maby make a 1g ram expansion for the 5k?
I know people would go nuts if they did.
Trust me that along with extreme sample converter and what ever VSTI of your choice would be a crazy!

No, I have no idea if it would be possible to extend the maximum possible RAM in the 5k.

well with up coverting .snd files to .wav files you are going to need it

I mean recording the slider/knob movements of realtime synth-editing into the sequencer...
cc's are a bit long winded as it is the internal synth (like internal fx).

cutoff & resonance well... nowdays it has to be full control, if you wanna shake the floors

zuckwheat wrote:Do you realize that you can "control" the synth externally with midi CC? Some paramters such as cutoff and resonance can be recorded on a synth track to "automate" it. What is your definition of synth automation?

The MPC 5000 mixes down its songs to Hard Disk. No additional memory needed.

Jauly wrote:I mean recording the slider/knob movements of realtime synth-editing into the sequencer...
cc's are a bit long winded as it is the internal synth (like internal fx).

cutoff & resonance well... nowdays it has to be full control, if you wanna shake the floors

zuckwheat wrote:Do you realize that you can "control" the synth externally with midi CC? Some paramters such as cutoff and resonance can be recorded on a synth track to "automate" it. What is your definition of synth automation?

Yep, just assign the Cutoff and Res onto your Qlinks and then record the changes in 'real-time' for those crazy filter sweeps.

p163 for reference

attn akai:

make this OS a public beta with proper disclaimers so that it can be properly tested before release! let some of the more vocal/experienced users have at it.

global program editing for the win, this has been sorely missed in sooo many mpcs.
the feature set is looking bright.

Askia Shaheed wrote:The MPC 5000 mixes down its songs to Hard Disk. No additional memory needed.

you will for loading all of those extra multi sample programs

AWW_NAWW wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:The MPC 5000 mixes down its songs to Hard Disk. No additional memory needed.

you will for loading all of those extra multi sample programs

The extra multi-sampled programs are not too much different than the sample programs. Do you have problems with memory when you load sample program with 64 sounds? No? Then you certainly won't have any memory problems with loading multi-sampled Akai S1000/3000 programs that have 12-24 multi-samples in them.


*Update- And while this is a great feature to have, let's not forget what the MPC is and always will be....a MIDI sequencer. You have 4 MIDI outputs which are there for a reason....to connect your external MIDI sound modules/samplers (both hardware and software). Use it as the center of your music production rig...and not your entire music production rig. You are not using it fully.

Great job Akai! And thanks for listening to your users! I can't wait to get my hands on the new OS.

Thanks, but I meant really full control

Nowdays all knobs/sliders on synths send ccs when you edit a sound and those can be recorded into the sequencer.

Does this work on MPC5000 with its knobs/sliders that are dedicated to synth-editing?
I wonder why I would have to assign the q-links to ccs when the mpc sliders are already hardwired to the synth engine?

NorthernElite wrote:

Jauly wrote:cutoff & resonance well... nowdays it has to be full control, if you wanna shake the floors

Yep, just assign the Cutoff and Res onto your Qlinks and then record the changes in 'real-time' for those crazy filter sweeps.

p163 for reference

Jauly wrote:Thanks, but I meant really full control

Nowdays all knobs/sliders on synths send ccs when you edit a sound and those can be recorded into the sequencer.

Does this work on MPC5000 with its knobs/sliders that are dedicated to synth-editing?
I wonder why I would have to assign the q-links to ccs when the mpc sliders are already hardwired to the synth engine?

NorthernElite wrote:

Jauly wrote:cutoff & resonance well... nowdays it has to be full control, if you wanna shake the floors

Yep, just assign the Cutoff and Res onto your Qlinks and then record the changes in 'real-time' for those crazy filter sweeps.

p163 for reference

Because the sliders and knobs do different things in different modes.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

AWW_NAWW wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:The MPC 5000 mixes down its songs to Hard Disk. No additional memory needed.

you will for loading all of those extra multi sample programs

The extra multi-sampled programs are not too much different than the sample programs. Do you have problems with memory when you load sample program with 64 sounds? No? Then you certainly won't have any memory problems with loading multi-sampled Akai S1000/3000 programs that have 12-24 multi-samples in them.


*Update- And while this is a great feature to have, let's not forget what the MPC is and always will be....a MIDI sequencer. You have 4 MIDI outputs which are there for a reason....to connect your external MIDI sound modules/samplers (both hardware and software). Use it as the center of your music production rig...and not your entire music production rig. You are not using it fully.

no but I have 512mb so that means I can load my whole Proteus 2000 or my JD800 or my JP 8000 or my K2500 or my Triton or my ect ect ect... I could do that when i only had 256 let alone 192. the only way this could do is if Akai put in the audition of whole multi samples with out having to load them into memory then you got GOLD!! and you can just cherry pick the ones you want.

as far as knowing waht the machine is thats all well and good bt not eveyone here has the resources to obtain more external gear so this is it for alot of us

Because the sliders and knobs do different things in different modes.

This is exactly why it should be possible. The sliders and knobs should have different states that can be switched. An assigned mode, and context sensitive program modes. A button toggle for pad, program, assign , effects, and mixer. Filter and adsr should be a given default for programs.

b-righteous wrote:

Because the sliders and knobs do different things in different modes.

This is exactly why it should be possible. The sliders and knobs should have different states that can be switched. An assigned mode, and context sensitive program modes. A button toggle for pad, program, assign , effects, and mixer. Filter and adsr should be a given default for programs.

I didn't mean to say it would not be possible. I was saying that the sliders and knobs do different things in different modes

Internal recording of knob and slider movements in synth mode should be possible. I think that is on the wishlist (though that doesn't mean that it will be implemented)

We'll have to wait and see.

AWW_NAWW wrote:no but I have 512mb so that means I can load my whole Proteus 2000 or my JD800 or my JP 8000 or my K2500 or my Triton or my ect ect ect... I could do that when i only had 256 let alone 192. the only way this could do is if Akai put in the audition of whole multi samples with out having to load them into memory then you got GOLD!! and you can just cherry pick the ones you want.

as far as knowing waht the machine is thats all well and good bt not eveyone here has the resources to obtain more external gear so this is it for alot of us

Please forgive me but I don't understand what you are trying to do. What do you mean by loading up your Protues 2000 or your JD800 or your JP 8000 or your K2500 or your Triton, etc, etc? If you have a Proteus 2000 module, you connect it to one (or even two) of the MPC 4000/5000s MIDI outputs. Can't afford hardware, then go software with the Emu Emulator X2 (or Proteus X) and MIDI your computer to your MPC.

Your chances of getting a 1 GB Ram expansion board (or even a 512 MB board) is probably slim to none for the MPC 5000. Unlike the MPC 4000, the MPC 5000 appears to use some sort of proprietary memory chip. There is one single slot for memory. I am no technical expert, but I seriously doubt you will see a larger memory expansion board. Changing software is one thing...hardware is a different story. The MPC 4000 uses standard PC 133/100 memory. You can't get 1GB of PC 133/100 memory to work in the MPC 4000 (it has problems with using some 256 MB boards).

I know you will be thinking "Who am I to tell you this".....but if you don't have the resources to use the MPC to its full potential (using it with other MIDI gear), you have to make use of what is available. Memory beyond 192 MB is not possible.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

AWW_NAWW wrote:no but I have 512mb so that means I can load my whole Proteus 2000 or my JD800 or my JP 8000 or my K2500 or my Triton or my ect ect ect... I could do that when i only had 256 let alone 192. the only way this could do is if Akai put in the audition of whole multi samples with out having to load them into memory then you got GOLD!! and you can just cherry pick the ones you want.

as far as knowing waht the machine is thats all well and good bt not eveyone here has the resources to obtain more external gear so this is it for alot of us

Please forgive me but I don't understand what you are trying to do. What do you mean by loading up your Protues 2000 or your JD800 or your JP 8000 or your K2500 or your Triton, etc, etc?

I have them converted to AkAI Pgms on my hard drive in either s6/5 files or z4/8 files.
Yeah I have a comp with just about every VST you can think of but some times I just dont feel Like using it some times I pack up the 4k and go some where remote and Im sure Im not the only one
you dig what im saying