converted 4000 programs will contain Modulation Matrix info?

why the **** did YOU post a picture of OS 2 on your MPC5K over at futureproducers?

this is ridiculous.

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All of those MPC 4000 specifc features are found in one of these:


Since the Z4/Z8 is identical to the MPC 4000 sampler section, picking up one of these cheap samplers and connecting it to an MPC 5000 is the best way to go.[/quote]


this is what i did-got a new z4 on closeout when i sold my 4k 2 years ago-
now i can use all my 4k and s6000 stuff- but i will be happy when 5k does keygroups
(tho i'll still need Z4 for all my 24bit stuff -
D

LvngDead wrote:why the **** did YOU post a picture of OS 2 on your MPC5K over at futureproducers?

this is ridiculous.

This is the MPC 5000 Forum. I asked you politely again to leave your trash in that froum.

hope you get run over by a garbage truck.

it'd be like an alcoholic getting run over by a beer truck.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

LvngDead wrote:why the **** did YOU post a picture of OS 2 on your MPC5K over at futureproducers?

this is ridiculous.

This is the MPC 5000 Forum. I asked you politely again to leave your trash in that froum.

The only trash in this forum is you....His question is specifically related to the MPC 5000 and then you respond by telling him
to leave his trash in "that" forum? Which other forum are we supposed to ask questions about the MPC 5000 about?

And of course you avoided his question...

nice

sammymyman!! wrote:[
All of those MPC 4000 specifc features are found in one of these:

Including Q-Link Sequenece? When did they add that to the Z4/Z8 OS... ?


Something that the MPC 5000 owners should be asking for on the 5000. Which of course if they added it , would finally add some additional
modulation to the built in synth, since all the Modulation routes on the synth are pre-wired....



Cheers,
Dave

According to the last info, the 5k OS2 still has no modulation matrix or a similar replacement. It would be unrealistic to expect that level of conversion when there is no comparable feature on the 5k to support it. I think it is safe to assume the answer is no unless they add a matrix to the OS.

Of course the RAM limitations will apply so you won't be able to load a 256MB file since that is more than what is available.

Something that the MPC 5000 owners should be asking for on the 5000. Which of course if they added it , would finally add some additional
modulation to the built in synth, since all the Modulation routes on the synth are pre-wired....

What you guys fail to understand is the MPC 4000 is dead from a production stand point. They are no longer made. If it has everything you need, then stick with that machine. I have been using the MPC 2500 and 5000 from the start when everyone here was hating on these machines (mostly the people that don't own them). MPC 1000, 2500 and 5000 users have created numerous feature request threads about what we want in an MPC. Akai has delivered. You can go back and view these threads if you like. But none of those threads have much talk about Modulation Matrix and Q-link sequences. These two functions wouldn't even crack the top 50 in feature requests. Akai clearly stated they would add user feature requests to the MPC 5000. Many of you guys have done nothing but bash the MPC 5000 for the past 8 months. There are no feature request threads in the MPC 4000 forum. I tried to create one but you guys childish behavior resulted in a useless thread.

So....after 8 plus months of development..if you don't see Modulation Matrix and Q-link sequence features in the MPC 5000, you have yourselves to blame. The MPC 5000 Forum has supported this machine from day one. Now were are about to receive an OS that incorporates over 25 features..most of them coming directly from this forum.

So I thank Akai/Numark/Alesis for their efforts. I thank all the forum members who created threads/posts/blogs (inclduing Just Blaze) that provided outstanding feedback to Akai.

renegadebliss wrote:

sammymyman!! wrote:[
All of those MPC 4000 specifc features are found in one of these:

"Including Q-Link Sequenece? When did they add that to the Z4/Z8 OS... ?"



the qlinks on z4 can send midi to whatever sequencer-so, yes.

sammymyman!! wrote:

renegadebliss wrote:

sammymyman!! wrote:[
All of those MPC 4000 specifc features are found in one of these:

"Including Q-Link Sequenece? When did they add that to the Z4/Z8 OS... ?"



the qlinks on z4 can send midi to whatever sequencer-so, yes.

but no built in 6 x 16 step sequencer? Genoqs Octopus costs over $3500
luckily i've got myself a Sequentix P3 so I would be fine but the average 5000 user isn't
going to purchase an octopus to get this ability....

Most users who haven't used this feature don't know what they are missing...


Well, at least I'm fine Got to love the P3...

Askia Shaheed wrote:MPC 1000, 2500 and 5000 users have created numerous feature request threads about what we want in an MPC. Akai has delivered. You can go back and view these threads if you like. But none of those threads have much talk about Modulation Matrix and Q-link sequences. These two functions wouldn't even crack the top 50 in feature requests.

All that shows is the lack of understanding of the current users base. Some of the best thing, the beginners just don't know
about. You can't hold that against them. It's Akai and it's user base that's missing out, not me ...
I've got both requests. I would have to disagree about the 1000 and 2500 getting all that they wanted, or JJ wouldn't
be making any money. The JJOS is by far superior to what Akai has put out for the product.

The reason that you don't see these types of information on the Akai MPC 4000 forum, is because we had a
direct email address at [email protected] that all Bugs and RFE's (Requests for Enhancements) were sent to.
Updating a Forum isn't as useful as sending it directly to the company. When Akai Japan was around, they fixed
bugs that were reported here, and added features that were requested here. I can provide a listing of numerous
bug fixes and features that were added from my specific requests. When Jack O'Donnell purchased Akai and disbanded
Akai Japan, all bug fixes and requests were ignored. I'm fine with that. Company's stop production of older products and start production of new products all the time. I continue to look at the current market as well keeping a look out for future products.
When a finer machine comes along, I will move on. Until then, my mpc 4000/P3 sequencing combo keeps me more then
occupied.

It's not all that I want. It's the best that is currently out there, but it's not what I currently want. I will continue to provide feedback to Akai directly for their products, as at some point, they may get a clue, and provide something worthwhile for me to move on.


Cheers,
Dave

"Including Q-Link Sequenece? When did they add that to the Z4/Z8 OS... ?"



the qlinks on z4 can send midi to whatever sequencer-so, yes.[/quote]


"but no built in 6 x 16 step sequencer? Genoqs Octopus costs over $3500
luckily i've got myself a Sequentix P3 so I would be fine but the average 5000 user isn't
going to purchase an octopus to get this ability....

Most users who haven't used this feature don't know what they are missing..."


whatever-the grid edit page is a step sequencer......its all right there.......
i forget-do you actually use a 4k or 5k?

renegadebliss, you can call it a lack of understanding as much as you like. But it still won't change the fact that people just don't want the same thing in an MPC. The MPC 4000 is not what people want. They wouldn't be selling for $1000 if they were in high demand.

sammymyman!! wrote:"Including Q-Link Sequenece? When did they add that to the Z4/Z8 OS... ?"

whatever-the grid edit page is a step sequencer......its all right there.......
i forget-do you actually use a 4k or 5k?

I absolutely use the MPC 4000. Been using it since 2004. I've helped to provide many bug fixes and feature requests
to help make the product become stable and useful as it has been today. It was a collaborative effort by the MPC 4000 user
community, but luckily most was addressed before the product was discontinued.
I have been looking at the 5000 for a while now. Waiting till they make a product worthy to upgrade to.
Whether that be with 5000 OS updates or the MPC 5500/6000 that'll come out next, is up to Akai

We have Grid Edit on the 4k. Grid Edit is not the same as an Analogue style Step Sequencer like what
Q-Link sequence provides. Also Q-Link sequence, since it is tied to Q-Links, not only can automate
programs parameters but also the FX settings as well.

I"ve made some brilliant Basic Channel/Maurizio tracks using a single stab sound, plus Q-Link Sequence Automation
of Filter/Envelope for the dub stab plus Q-Link sequence automation of the FX.

Simply changing the Q-Link Step Value from let's say 1/4 note to 1/8th note does a complete changeup, can even at times
sound like a completely different track. You just can't do that type of thing in Grid Edit. Real Time controls to manipulate
the automation of your sequences is brilliant. MPC 4000 was the first, only and appears to be last hardware sampler to have this feature.
I have no problem keeping my 4000, but would be nice to see on something like the 5000. Just like on the 4000, most
users might not use it , but the heads, they'll be jacking that shXt....

Askia Shaheed wrote:renegadebliss, you can call it a lack of understanding as much as you like. But it still won't change the fact that people just don't want the same thing in an MPC. The MPC 4000 is not what people want. They wouldn't be selling for $1000 if they were in high demand.

Considering that is just a $500 drop from what I purchased it in 2004 for. So I would say that's a fairly accurate price reduction.
About $100 a year. I've definitely gotten $100 a year worth of use out of it.

The Akai MPC 1000 sells for around $400, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a demand for them.


I never said that the MPC 4000 was what people wanted. I started this thread, to see if Akai provided proper upgrade of MPC 4000
programs/samples as their OS update was indicating. It doesn't say, that it only provides the sample assignment of the programs
like other of their documentation says.

Here it states this: http://www.akaipro.com/spotmpcos2

More good news for all old school producers - you can now import S1000, S3000, S5000/S6000, Z4/Z8, and MPC4000 format sample libraries, including Keygroups, from Akai Pro and third parties. Now you can migrate fully to the MPC5000 platform.

Where in their other products they state stuff like this:
http://www.akaipro.com/mpc1000

MPC4000 SEQ (saved as MID file only), WAV, AKP (DRUM program only...No Keygroups. Only note assign and tune are loaded.)

So I'm trying to get an answer to see exactly how they are implementing this. They say in their statement that I as an "old school"
producer can now fully migrate to the MPC 5000 Platform. So my "Keygroups" that I want to migrate have a Modulation Matrix.

So I"m trying to see if that statement of theirs is true or not. I guess we have to wait until the official release to find out for sure.

Also, as far as I know, Boele, or as he's known here, SCD, has put in a request for a Modulation Matrix into the Akai bug database.
As a Waldorf User, Boele fully understands the importance and uses of a Modulation Matrix.

As indicated earlier, if Akai chooses not to implement that feature, they are only limiting their end users of that product who might
not even know they wanted a feature. I'm sure that Chord Memory wasn't something that was highly asked for on the JJ OS,
but its a VERY useful and used feature of the JJOS.


Cheers,
Dave