NI Maschine

^yup that makes sense. but imo, the on-board sequencer would be more useful for Live users. You can change songs/sequences with a clip change which was harder to do before. Either way, when you add standalone VST support you also need to add a decent CPU, memory and supporting OS. Again, the price would skyrocket. Im sure you already have a DAW setup. You willing to drive this product out of a manageable price range simply for convenience? You have to record back into the daw once your done anyway.

I think for the $600.00 price it should already have all this plus all the sample edit features in kontakt 3.

Since you are right that it does have to get recorded to a DAW, another option is to have a VST midi out feature like GURU. Instruments are able to transmit midi out to other instruments in the host DAW

b-righteous wrote:I think for the $600.00 price it should already have all this plus all the sample edit features in kontakt 3.

Since you are right that it does have to get recorded to a DAW, another option is to have a VST midi out feature like GURU. Instruments are able to transmit midi out to other instruments in the host DAW

that's alot to ask for $600. I believe Ableton Live can do that and with v.8 its looking even better.

respect_mbs wrote:

kebzer wrote:. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. .

Yeah I am with the 15%, though I would say it is probally 5%

And imho this is just another controller for some software that will be obselete in 2 years.

Oh well ive just bought an MPC 2500 second hand which should arrive Monday
I just like knowing that when I switch it on it will do what its supposed to do and not get a virus because I want a porn fix lol.
Which is simply to allow me to sample from wax or cd and then play the chops on the pads to build an idea without crashing ect.
I think I will hang out for the Linn 2.

64hz wrote:

respect_mbs wrote:

kebzer wrote:. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. .

Yeah I am with the 15%, though I would say it is probally 5%

And imho this is just another controller for some software that will be obselete in 2 years.

I am one of the lucky 5%'ers who wants a cookie. I directly record the samples from turntable to the emu1616m onto adobe audition 3....then i get the party started by messing around with the audio restoration tools.

I also took my turntable needle to the next step by investing in the shure m97xe which puts minimum wear on the records plus it doesn't exaggerate the highs like other needles do.

mrbeats wrote:Oh well ive just bought an MPC 2500 second hand which should arrive Monday
I just like knowing that when I switch it on it will do what its supposed to do and not get a virus because I want a porn fix lol.
Which is simply to allow me to sample from wax or cd and then play the chops on the pads to build an idea without crashing ect.
I think I will hang out for the Linn 2.

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v00d00ppl wrote:I am one of the lucky 5%'ers who wants a cookie. I directly record the samples from turntable to the emu1616m onto adobe audition 3....then i get the party started by messing around with the audio restoration tools.

but...abode audition IS a DAW....

you are in the 5% if you record then export all audio using something like this:

respect_mbs wrote:

v00d00ppl wrote:I am one of the lucky 5%'ers who wants a cookie. I directly record the samples from turntable to the emu1616m onto adobe audition 3....then i get the party started by messing around with the audio restoration tools.

but...abode audition IS a DAW....

you are in the 5% if you record then export all audio using something like this:

I use a boss br864 when i need to. Most of the time i utilize it as a field recorder/guitar effects box. But if ever one of my DAW setups fail....i dont mind going back to that and just tape looping breakbeats and spitting some raps to it.

I gotta say I am in the market for an usb interface so I can start recording in to audacity

kebzer wrote:. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. .

I am willing to bet %70 of this forum doesn't own an MPC. I am also willing to bet %30 doesn't even make beats.

objektivone wrote:
I am willing to bet %70 of this forum doesn't own an MPC. I am also willing to bet %30 doesn't even make beats.

Yeah, there's plenty of armchair critics in both camps... plus (and most amazingly to me) there's people who own an MPC and don't make beats at all, but just salivate over features! What the **** is all that about???

respect_mbs wrote:

kebzer wrote:The price of this thing is the same as half the second hand groove boxes out there, including the ASR and XL. If you add up the cost of a dedicated PC/Mac to work with and keep safe from fukcing up, this thing is way too expensive for the average market it's supposed to target. Don't get misleaded by those whistles, this is still just a controller.

I like when people try to add the cost of a PC/Mac in reference to a new piece of software/midi controller as if people dont already own a PC/Mac. That is the reason why these products are getting made. This isn't 2001, computer music is a popular as ever and to the people who are already knee deep in their DAW setup, the only added cost is the Maschine itself. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. Fact is, most songs are not completed within the mpc/mv8800/ASR anymore. Now, tell me why you wouldn't market to DAW users.

Good points made, but still you're missing a few.

1. Everybody is using a DAW. I do. But the big difference between this MASCHINE and my choice over the MP is that when I bought the XL, I didn't had to upgrade my PC at the same time. I just continued using Audition 1.5 to record stuff.

With this MASCHINE, I'll def need to make some upgrades on my PC in order for it to be able to run smooth and host enough whistles around. And I bet that more than half in this forum will need a PC upgrade too if they buy this thing.

2. Resale value of this thing: close to zero. After two years it will meet the fate of every other software application. And this is more serious, since it is a dedicated controller for a dedicated app. However, if NI keeps on developing on the same hardware platform, then they might save some of its value. But still, it's nowhere close to the resale value of my MP's.

3. It will always be dependent on a PC/Mac for the very basic thing it is made to do: music. I am only dependent on my PC when the tracking time comes around. Normally, I have my PC shut down around 70% of the time I am making beats on the MP's.

These 3 points are more than enough for me to stick around hardware grooveboxes.

objektivone wrote:

kebzer wrote:. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. .

I am willing to bet %70 of this forum doesn't own an MPC. I am also willing to bet %30 doesn't even make beats.

I am willing to bet you are with that 30% 570+ posts in under a month! WTF bro

64hz wrote:

objektivone wrote:

kebzer wrote:. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. .

I am willing to bet %70 of this forum doesn't own an MPC. I am also willing to bet %30 doesn't even make beats.

I am willing to bet you are with that 30% 570+ posts in under a month! WTF bro

Yep you caught me. Straight up.