Show Stopping Bugs in the 5k?

What's up? I've been thinking of grabbing a 5k and while reading up on the forums and searching the web I couldn't help but notice that the majority of posts are about bugs & other hardware issues.

Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

I realize OS2 is supposed to address many issues but wanted to see how stable the current OS is in real world situations. I know people usually tend to post when they are having issues and not when things are going well.

Thanks in advance,

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For me personally...no. But I would check out the bug report thread for input from other forum members.

boomspot wrote:What's up? I've been thinking of grabbing a 5k and while reading up on the forums and searching the web I couldn't help but notice that the majority of posts are about bugs & other hardware issues.

Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

I realize OS2 is supposed to address many issues but wanted to see how stable the current OS is in real world situations. I know people usually tend to post when they are having issues and not when things are going well.

Thanks in advance,

D

i did a show,using track mute,padmute,and a bit of on the spot jamming-

didnt have any issues
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Im still runnin on the 1.01 and i haven had any bugs... i have had it for like 8 months now... but thats just my MPC:P

If your talking about would you be able to do just anything with machine running os 1.02 answer is yes,but is there some bugs sure,but it won't take your creativity away trust me.You will be just fine,despite all bad comments, those comment indicate bug issues only,don't make your judgment based on that.You will be batter of focusing what advantages you will gain with mpc 5000.
Good luck!

I would say I would definitely gig out with it live but I would be careful with not pushing it too hard. For example I don't think I would be manipulating delay and reverb settings on the fly like a maniac. I would stick to the usual mute unmute etc.. that with the current os, most of the lockups I experience happen when I have done crazy automation and I don't save it. Then again it only happens about once every 3 months and I've learned to save as I go thus decreasing the chances of that happening.

The fixes and features within OS2 should help put a lot of minds to rest when it is released.

boomspot wrote:What's up? I've been thinking of grabbing a 5k and while reading up on the forums and searching the web I couldn't help but notice that the majority of posts are about bugs & other hardware issues.

Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

I realize OS2 is supposed to address many issues but wanted to see how stable the current OS is in real world situations. I know people usually tend to post when they are having issues and not when things are going well.

Thanks in advance,

D

If you still have your 4k the 5k may or may not be as impressive as you want it to be.
Don't really use it much but it more a dislike for the hype Akai created for the unit than bugs.
I'm still giving them the chance to deliver a killer flagship.

A couple of things you will notice about the 5k
1. feels pretty solid build-wise
2. layout of controls feel comfortable
3. doesn't sound bad
4. screen is highly viewable with minimal fatique
5. works better if you take it at face value instead of comparing it to the 4k, it has some 4k-ish features.
6. It has a pretty good feature set based on the current MPC line.


For me OS2 isn't really adding anything too dramatic but is more important because it shows Akai is trying to advance the box.
I had the same hopes when the 2500 was first released and Akai never delivered, JJ showed that they could have.
At least with the 5k it looks like those of us happy will get happier and those of us looking for more out of the 5k will get some results.

If you are uncertain wait for v2 to be released and pick up the 5k from someone with a liberal return policy.
Drive it hard for a couple weeks and see what you think, but don't do it until v2 is available.

Sovereign wrote:

boomspot wrote:What's up? I've been thinking of grabbing a 5k and while reading up on the forums and searching the web I couldn't help but notice that the majority of posts are about bugs & other hardware issues.

Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

I realize OS2 is supposed to address many issues but wanted to see how stable the current OS is in real world situations. I know people usually tend to post when they are having issues and not when things are going well.

Thanks in advance,

D

If you still have your 4k the 5k may or may not be as impressive as you want it to be.
Don't really use it much but it more a dislike for the hype Akai created for the unit than bugs.
I'm still giving them the chance to deliver a killer flagship.

A couple of things you will notice about the 5k
1. feels pretty solid build-wise
2. layout of controls feel comfortable
3. doesn't sound bad
4. screen is highly viewable with minimal fatique
5. works better if you take it at face value instead of comparing it to the 4k, it has some 4k-ish features.
6. It has a pretty good feature set based on the current MPC line.


For me OS2 isn't really adding anything too dramatic but is more important because it shows Akai is trying to advance the box.
I had the same hopes when the 2500 was first released and Akai never delivered, JJ showed that they could have.
At least with the 5k it looks like those of us happy will get happier and those of us looking for more out of the 5k will get some results.

If you are uncertain wait for v2 to be released and pick up the 5k from someone with a liberal return policy.
Drive it hard for a couple weeks and see what you think, but don't do it until v2 is available.

I disagree. The MPC 5000 (even using OS 1.02) offers alot when compared to the 4000. It is missing some MPC 4000 features but it also adds new features that are unavailable in the 4000 and expands on several other functions. The MPC 4000 was more hype. It added a bunch of stuff MPC users don't care about. But the MPC 5000 was designed based upon what users actually want/need in an MPC today. Anyone implying that the current MPC line is less stable than older MPCs didn't own these products when they were released. But don't take my word for it. You can do a quick search and find all sorts of problems with the MPC 4000 when it was released.

But I will say is that the MPC 4000 is still a powerful highend MPC eventhough it lacks these MPC 5000 fearures:

1. Improved Q links - real time control of programs and effect paramenters
2. Audio track recording, mixdown, and audio CD burning
3. 20 voice-synth
4. Chop Shop 2.0
5. Trim Mode - assign samples to programs + recall samples assigned to pads
6. Swing - Strength and Window parameters plus the ability to swing triplets
7. Track select shortcut via pads
8. Track lock
9. Track/pad mute quantize
10. Standard 10 analog outputs and ADAT 8 channel digital output
11. Undo/redo while sequencer is playing
12. Non-destructive change sequence length
13. Save to MPC 1000 format
14. 64 continuous sample tracks
15. More flexible effects w/ automation
16. Arp for each track
17. 8-pole filters
18. Master EQ and Compressor
19. Can execute nearly all functions without stopping sequencer
20. Improved mixer channel strips
21. Input thru function
22. Cycle and Random sample switching

Sovereign wrote:If you still have your 4k the 5k may or may not be as impressive as you want it to be.

...that's like saying "A cat may or may not have a tail"...?

Sovereign wrote:3. doesn't sound bad

Is this another way of saying "It sounds good?"

Sovereign wrote:5. works better if you take it at face value instead of comparing it to the 4k, it has some 4k-ish features.

Up till this point nobody had been comparing the 5K with the 4K in this thread

Sovereign wrote:6. It has a pretty good feature set based on the current MPC line.

Most would agree the 5K has a superb feature set and OS2 is bringing some heat.

Sovereign wrote:For me OS2 isn't really adding anything too dramatic .

Let's wait and see what everyone thinks once it's actually released.

DOR is a 4k user so he would compare it to the 4k.

No it means it doesn't sound bad, it sounds Ok and has useable effects.
What MPC really sounds like more than that?

How could the feature set be considered superb when it was a step backward in too many ways?
Maybe users prefer a streamlined unit?
OS2 is what OS 1.0 should have been. Akai has built far too many MPC's to be guessing at most features.
If you are coming from a 1k, 2500, or one of the older MPC's it's not hard to be impressed with the 5k.
If you are using a MV or 4k and really understand them then the 5k still has a ways to go to be on that level.
I still feel that that's not Akai's true intent, to make a deeply functional machine like they did with the 4k.
They seem to understand that software is getting highly competitive and many functions are better left to that environment
Based on the price shifting Akai did on the 5k and the deals dealers are cutting on them there was planned overage built in.
That's something the 4k never had.
Look at the new controller for LIVE and you start to see Akai is no longer trying to make products that stand alone in a highly competitive world.

Many 5k users are defensive about the 5k when you say it fall short of the 4k and they have never owned a 4k or if they did never understood it.
In fairness there are many 4k users who dog the 5k and they have never owned one, so I guess it's wrong from both perspectives.


As for the original post, he has owned enough different MPC's to be able to determine pretty quickly if he likes the 5k.

All very subjective!

lol ok...The first post was asking about bugs and stability of the MPC5000. Where does the 4K fit into this thread?

As you say, the original poster has owned multiple MPCs including the 4K, so I'm sure he'll easily be able to "determine pretty quickly if he likes the 5K" based on his own experience and requirements.

Just to recap on his original question with regards to the 5K:
Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

All the more reason not to let a perfectly legitimate thread descend into another one of those 4K vs 5K p;ssing competitions.

NorthernElite wrote:Just to recap on his original question with regards to the 5K:
Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

All the more reason not to let a perfectly legitimate thread descend into another one of those 4K vs 5K p;ssing competitions.

Not a pissing contest.
The original poster has owned a loaded 4k for a couple of years with good reliability so it's would be the bar to measure the 5k against.

Sovereign wrote:

NorthernElite wrote:Just to recap on his original question with regards to the 5K:
Would you users say running into bugs while working is the norm?

All the more reason not to let a perfectly legitimate thread descend into another one of those 4K vs 5K p;ssing competitions.

Not a pissing contest.
The original poster has owned a loaded 4k for a couple of years with good reliability so it's would be the bar to measure the 5k against.

Ah I see now, you were refering to reliability not functionality, for a minute there I though the thread was going to dissappear down the 'Can your's do this?' rabbit hole again.

From my perspective, I'd rather just look at the 5K in isolation (also considering the impending Akai OS2 uplift) and judge it on it's own merits, of which there are many.

Thanks for adding clarity.

OS2 is what OS 1.0 should have been. Akai has built far too many MPC's to be guessing at most features.

If you are using a MV or 4k and really understand them then the 5k still has a ways to go to be on that level.

There are plenty of feature request threads. In spite of lacking keygroup programs in OS 1, the MPC 5000 still has over 2 dozen functions that the MV and MPC 4000 don't have. It has far exceeded those machines on numerous levels. The MVs method of adding slice/chop markers and the MPC 4000s Quick Effects function are the only standout functions that I really need in the MPC 5000.

If you look at numerous forum feature request threads over the past 5 years, you will see that MPC 5K's OS 1 is exactly what many users wanted/requested. When OS 2 is released, compare the new features to what you see in the current feature request thread that is a sticky in this forum. You will find that they are nearly identical. I can't understand why anyone would call this guessing.

Oops...this was suppose to be another pissing thread. But I had to add some more clarity.