Recording Audio Tracks

Nym wrote:

#3.AFTER you record your vocals in the mpc, they will have to be assigned to a PAD.. and if you do not apply NOTE ON, each timeyou start/stop the beat in the mp, your vocal will continue to play until the end..

AUDIO TRACKS, tony, not midi triggered notes.

I don't know nothing about what your talking about...

but, AFTER you record your vocals in the mpc, they will have to be assigned to a PAD.. and if you do not apply NOTE ON, each timeyou start/stop the beat in the mp, your vocal will continue to play until the end....

trust me.. I used to record my keyboard tracks on my 2500 using "record in" before I knew how how use midi..

Lol... time to "unsubscribe topic."

tony, you're not understanding - these guys are talking about AUDIO TRACKS, which are different than samples you record and assign to a pad. the latter are MIDI TRIGGERED. AUDIO TRACKS are not midi triggered. MIDI TRIGGERED samples will only play if your sequencer is playing when the NOTE ON occurs. AUDIO TRACKS play constantly no matter where you hit play.

Now with the way you can manipulate bars it's even easier to punch in or drop audio on the audio tracks.
I hope JJ continues to tweak their ability.

Nym wrote:tony, you're not understanding - these guys are talking about AUDIO TRACKS, which are different than samples you record and assign to a pad. the latter are MIDI TRIGGERED. AUDIO TRACKS are not midi triggered. MIDI TRIGGERED samples will only play if your sequencer is playing when the NOTE ON occurs. AUDIO TRACKS play constantly no matter where you hit play.

I guess I dont have this feature...


I've never heard of "audio tacks", I usually record a vocal/guitar/keyboard sample through "direct record" on the 2500, by pressing the Window button while the cursor is on Track type (where it says Drum, Midi).


this is with the jj os?

what version, & do they have it for the 2500 as well?

yup, in the jjos for the 2500 as well.

i prefer it to direct record because it doesn't have to be midi triggered.
with direct record tracks, you have to wait for the midi trigger.

say you have a 16 bar sequence and you direct record something to start at bar 2.
but say you're editing drums at the 9 bar mark and you start playing from that point. if your main melodic recording is in your direct record tracks, that jaint won't play if you're starting from the middle of your sequence. with AUDIO TRACKS, it doesn't need a midi trigger.

i should have taken the time to fully explain to you it in my first post

yea.. i just looked it up on youtube...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ork0l2GRODQ

what jj version does this on the 2500?

Nym wrote:with direct record tracks, you have to wait for the midi trigger.

say you have a 16 bar sequence and you direct record something to start at bar 2.
but say you're editing drums at the 9 bar mark and you start playing from that point. if your main melodic recording is in your direct record tracks, that jaint won't play if you're starting from the middle of your sequence.

not entirely correct, Nym. if you change your direct recorded track into a "Continuous Sample Track", then it doesn't have to wait for a midi trigger. The Akai OS for the 2500 could only have 1 Continuous Sample Track, but the 5000 can have any or all tracks be Continuous Sample Tracks. If JJ would implement Direct Record and allow any track to be a Continuous Sample Track, it would basically make Audio Tracks obsolete.

i overlooked continuous samples - thanks! yeah it would make it obsolete - i guess just really don't care for the idea of midi triggered samples that AREN'T oneshot samples. such an irritating way of working. for me, this goes way back to when i first got my mpc - i hate waiting for the trigger/having to play the trigger to hear the bit.

here are some questions - is there a difference between audio tracks and continuous sample tracks? when you convert a direct direct record track into a continuous sample track, does it just insert silence in the sample up until the point where it plays in the sequence?

bar by bar to me is better than direct record solely because of that whole trigger issue.

Mike Feedback wrote: The Akai OS for the 2500 could only have 1 Continuous Sample Track, but the 5000 can have any or all tracks be Continuous Sample Tracks. If JJ would implement Direct Record and allow any track to be a Continuous Sample Track, it would basically make Audio Tracks obsolete.

That was the flaw in the 2500, JJ is headed in the right direction with his audio tracks.
It's going more the direction of the MV or Fantom, which is who Akai stole the idea of Continous sample tracks from.
I think in time he will get them to a full aspect for proper usage.
If you compare them to the original concept they are much better.
A lot of the problems with the audio tracks really stems from people wanting to work in patterns because the 1k/2500 lacks a real linear song mode.

To get the most out of the current form of audio tracks you have to think more along the lines of a song as a whole and place things accordingly to achieve your desired durations.
That's become a lot easier to do with the new bar function.

Nym wrote:here are some questions - is there a difference between audio tracks and continuous sample tracks? when you convert a direct direct record track into a continuous sample track, does it just insert silence in the sample up until the point where it plays in the sequence?

continuous sample tracks do not insert silence in the sample so that they begin at the start of a bar. the samples stay exactly the same, and the note on event stays whereever it had already been in the sequence. think of it as a regular drum track, except when you hit play in the middle of the sequence, the mpc looks back to see which samples would be playing at that point and begins to play them mid-sample with the correct timing.

the manual for the 2500 notes that continuous sample track will not work on samples that are less than a second long (meaning they'd have to be started by the note-on event, not that they won't play at all), and that if the continuous sample track has a lot of events, it may delay the timing of the samples.

although since audio tracks don't even allow for overlapping samples on the same track and up until recently only allowed one sample per track, I'm sure that a continuous sample track being delayed if it has too many events can't really be considered a drawback.

lol, now yall got me confused...


what exactly is a continuous sample?

is that what I was explaining about earlier?

is it on the regular os of the 2500. or on the JJ?

I have thought about uploading the jj, but I got scared by the learing curve..

is it very different from the original os?

I'll chime in here for the idea of keeping your vocals as MIDI events. I've been experimenting with this on my last few tracks and it opens up doors if you like to F with your voice. For instance, using Q-links/sample start for a part of the vocal. Also, I'm talking about singing, not rapping, just FYI, but I'm not a very good singer so it takes me many takes to hit the notes I want for my parts. After I get a line or two down I can keep that performance, assign it to a pad, and move on. This is very much like punching in, except I'm not even trying to get the whole performance on one take, just as much as I can/am satisfied with. It's laborious, but that's b/c I'm not a great singer. Once I get all the parts on different pads I can use Q-links when I track/play the pads in a creative way/get some sampler mojo injected into the vocals. Maybe this is just my own idiosyncrasy....

Now, if you were to record the vocal as an AUDIO track, would it mean you'd have to get the whole thing in one take? So let's say you do: then you'd just place the track at 1.01.01 or something? What's the transition from getting your AUDIO track down to getting it to play where you want it? I assume there's some way to select the start point. And what about using Q-links on AUDIO?

I definitely like the option of having AUDIO tracks (or is it just "track"? How many?) as I agree with you Nym that waiting for the MIDI triggered event on certain samples is annoying as hell. However, I got so used to this on the 2000xl that I now embrace it. I guess I just stopped thinking in terms of AUDIO with the MPC and just thought MIDI.

Later.

trunk wrote:
Now, if you were to record the vocal as an AUDIO track, would it mean you'd have to get the whole thing in one take?

No, in fact you can now do several takes, edit to the pieces you like and then drop them on a single audio track to create one take.
Pretty much the same way you comp vocals in a DAW.

surely use both methods, but for different strategies, like trunk says - that sounds best for him, a sense of flexibility.
me i like to lay down slabs of some mad filters or whatever is passing to the audio rec ins. so audio tracks best for that,
but id use trucks method for the free narrative. audio tracks a good solid dependable strips to place chunks of heavily worked stuff i think. or stuff that barely needs moving about apart from a few fx.

btw trunk, u can use up to 32 (mono) 16 (stereo) audio tracks.