Export at 24 bit, and Record at 24 bit?

you dont know bit and khz, do you?

record at 16,24,32 bit with 44,1khz, 96khz, 192khz

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perhaps thats one of the reason the tune stinks

the thing is, do you have a system that you can tell the difference between the two? The average person cant tell.

But none of that is really the point... sure, most people dont need it. However it should still be able to since there are some people who might want it and also because the previous flagship had it so they shouldn't remove the capability.

the advantage comes in at mastering: you have way more headroom when you want to compress or eq a 24 bit file...
(and i mean not mastering with the 5k effects )

and i agree: its a shame to remove this feature for a flagship workhorse.

but anyway, i admit that the 5k has a great sound, really!
i like these a/d converters. they sound warm (at least to my ears) and not so sterile than the 1+2,5 and 4k.

I can certainly tell the difference between 16 and 24 bit on the same material from same converters. Same with 44k and 96k. Eaven after it has been dithered and sample rate converted back down to 16 /44. That is, if you use high quality sample rate converters and dither. It does make a significant difference in quality. Of course, you can still get a great sound out of 16 bit 44 k and the sample and bit rate are not the only thing that affects sound quality. You do have to have a decent monitoring system to tell the difference.

It's also a matter of if you care about quality. When I install my systems on my car stereo, It matters that everything is clear. Music is more enjoyable to me if the sound quality is good. I like crispy clear highs and thump'n lows with a warm sound. I like my tracks to sound good while creating because it helps inspire me. Some people don't care about sound quality or quality anything for that matter. Some do. For expensive pro audio equipment that has the potential to make hit records, the sound quality should matter even if some don't appreciated it because others will.

but anyway, i admit that the 5k has a great sound, really!
i like these a/d converters. they sound warm (at least to my ears) and not so sterile than the 1+2,5 and 4k.

Thats good to hear. I also did not like the 2500 sterile sound. Like I mentioned, there is more to it than just bit and sample rate. Still think it should have 24bit

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nice to hear some pro statements

it reminds me abit of the ensoniq asr10 samplers, not highend but very musical

and esp the fx i love more than on any other mpc... they are so nice that i will sell my kaosspad

i will post some vids with the 5k in live action next days, so hope you enjoy it...

Dang, my mind wondered real bad that time. You're right dread. Yes, Michael Jackson probably records 24 bit, 192khz. I still retain my statement that is the tune isn't good what does it matter. : )

no prob... who cares

i am not a fan of these technical discussions, i think we are all musicans and not engineers...

what i dont like is this marketing propaganda esp. in the 5k section.
some guys seems to be blind for an objective statement...

and i agree: you can do great stuff even with the cheapest gear

The MPC 5000 exports tracks as 24 bits. If you are not satisfied by this, than use a sampler that provides what you need.

well i noticed one feature people often mention in regards to the 4k is the 24k ability. I just think that since the 5k was ment to be a superior machine and it did come out several years later under the same company name... that it should maybe not have all the same features.... however an ability like that should have been included. It should be a step up from the regular MPC's which they claim it is since it is a flagship, therefore it should have more things that make it more of a professional workhorse.

doesn't mean everyone can tell the difference, or maybe people wont even use it that often..... but it should have it since it is supposed to be superior.

b-righteous wrote:It's also a matter of if you care about quality. When I install my systems on my car stereo, It matters that everything is clear. Music is more enjoyable to me if the sound quality is good. I like crispy clear highs and thump'n lows with a warm sound. I like my tracks to sound good while creating because it helps inspire me. Some people don't care about sound quality or quality anything for that matter. Some do. For expensive pro audio equipment that has the potential to make hit records, the sound quality should matter even if some don't appreciated it because others will.

I can co-sign on this... from the car to the studio... gotta be crystal clear and thumpin

Most people though dont even use MPC's past music production, so most times, the 24 bit is irrelevant, unless you want crispy snares and hats... a lot of producers want the 12bit grimey kicks... from my understading and point of view, though i could be wrong

Most people listen to MP3s and don't care what goes on in this forum.

But for the sake of arguments....give me your Top 5 Hardware Samplers (which sample at 24 bit).

dreadnutz wrote:

diegoeskryptic wrote:
Question- when you guys listen to songs on the radio stations, are you able to tell if it was 16bit or 24bit?

do you think the comercial songs on radio stations were recorded with 16bit?
every professional producer/musician records on 24 (or 32) bit and after processing mixes down to 16bit cd format.

it has to do with headroom, more detailed sample calculating etc....

sorry to say this but some guys in the 5k forum looking through pink eyeglasses

in year 09 24bit recording should be not that hard

Dreadnutz. I asked, are you or anyone else able to tell if songs on radio are recorded at 16 or 24bit. You went on a tangent about what you think.

Please answer the question. And show me examples where possible...

diegoeskryptic wrote:

dreadnutz wrote:

diegoeskryptic wrote:
Question- when you guys listen to songs on the radio stations, are you able to tell if it was 16bit or 24bit?

do you think the comercial songs on radio stations were recorded with 16bit?
every professional producer/musician records on 24 (or 32) bit and after processing mixes down to 16bit cd format.

it has to do with headroom, more detailed sample calculating etc....

sorry to say this but some guys in the 5k forum looking through pink eyeglasses

in year 09 24bit recording should be not that hard

Dreadnutz. I asked, are you or anyone else able to tell if songs on radio are recorded at 16 or 24bit. You went on a tangent about what you think.

Please answer the question. And show me examples where possible...

How exactly is track quality supposed to be judged once it has passed through a radio signal... anyways who cares about what plays on the radio, most of it is pop rubbish anyways.

I think maybe you should ask him to list us some artists that we could check out their digital music files. It would probably be more precise.

mr_debauch wrote:
How exactly is track quality supposed to be judged once it has passed through a radio signal... anyways who cares about what plays on the radio, most of it is pop rubbish anyways.

I think maybe you should ask him to list us some artists that we could check out their digital music files. It would probably be more precise.

Digital music files? You mean MP3s ? I'm sure you guys can listen to an MP3 and can tell if the master recording was done at 16 or 24 bit....

So I compiled this list of current samplers/sampling workstations:
1. Akai MPC 5000
2. Akai MPC 2500/1000
3. Roland MV-8800
4. Roland Fantom G/X/XR
5. Yamaha Motif XS
6. Korg M3
7. Roland V-Synth GT
8. Kurzweil 2600/2661

Now..which of these workstations sample in 24 bit? Please feel free to add any samplers/sampling workstations I missed.