Maschine...

emptysea wrote:

DJEther wrote:the only thing that separates Maschine from other midi controllers is that it has its own dedicated software to use with the hardware controller.

The others like the trigger finger, MPD's, and the such dont have a dedicated piece of software, is intended for use w/ many other software and people have to set them up on their own.
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the only thing that i see thats so "SPECIAL" about Maschine is that it offers screens to display the data and some other little features and THATS IT.

Other than being the first ever hardware to:

- offer Korg Electribe style hardware step sequencer

umm.. no.

first of all, it's not a piece of hardware. it's software... and fruity loops offers "korg electribe" sequencing and has been since probably before korg electribes came out (not sure when they launched but anyways)


and if it were hardware... then korg electribe style sequencing was done before..... on the korg electribe.



again, I am not saying it is not a good piece of kit... hell I damn well want this product and I plan on getting it as soon as I have a few bills to blow on something of this sort.

it has a lot of cool features packed into one collection but it is not gonna replace hardware in most cases just as it wont replace most software in most cases....


i mean in a sense an mpc is very similar since they are both running some form of software, but the difference is that an mpc's software has a 100% dedicated machine to run it.



Again, I am a native instruments fan (well not a fan.. but I do like their products)

emptysea wrote:I don't understand why people keep mentioning the likes of BPM, GURU, and Battery into this thread about Maschine. BPM, GURU, and Battery are just drum programming software only with no dedicated hardware.

the machine does NOT have any dedicated hardware... it has proprietary hardware.... big difference.


it would be dedicated if you could skip the entire windows/mac osx installation all together and run the entire computer on simply maschine only with 100% of the system resource controlled and running the software.... that would be true dedicated hardware.

mr_debauch wrote:

emptysea wrote:

DJEther wrote:the only thing that separates Maschine from other midi controllers is that it has its own dedicated software to use with the hardware controller.

The others like the trigger finger, MPD's, and the such dont have a dedicated piece of software, is intended for use w/ many other software and people have to set them up on their own.
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the only thing that i see thats so "SPECIAL" about Maschine is that it offers screens to display the data and some other little features and THATS IT.

Other than being the first ever hardware to:

- offer Korg Electribe style hardware step sequencer

umm.. no.

first of all, it's not a piece of hardware. it's software... and fruity loops offers "korg electribe" sequencing and has been since probably before korg electribes came out (not sure when they launched but anyways)


and if it were hardware... then korg electribe style sequencing was done before..... on the korg electribe.

umm.. yes.

First of all, it IS a piece of hardware. Oh, and it's software too. You just don't seem to be getting the point. Hardware means a tactile controller that you can actually touch to control, compared to "software only" products such as fruity loops which is virtual only and therefore not hardware and irrelevant to what we're discussing here, which is a new hybrid hardware/software product called Maschine.

mr_debauch wrote:again, I am not saying it is not a good piece of kit... hell I damn well want this product and I plan on getting it as soon as I have a few bills to blow on something of this sort.

it has a lot of cool features packed into one collection but it is not gonna replace hardware in most cases just as it wont replace most software in most cases....

It's still very new but many people are replacing the MPC with Maschine. Anyway, who cares? Some people will choose one over the other and some will get both. There's no point in getting worked up about this. It just means both MPC and Ableton Live now have serious competition.

emptysea wrote:

umm.. no.

first of all, it's not a piece of hardware. it's software... and fruity loops offers "korg electribe" sequencing and has been since probably before korg electribes came out (not sure when they launched but anyways)


and if it were hardware... then korg electribe style sequencing was done before..... on the korg electribe.

umm.. yes.

First of all, it IS a piece of hardware. Oh, and it's software too. You just don't seem to be getting the point. Hardware means a tactile controller that you can actually touch to control, compared to "software only" products such as fruity loops which is virtual only and therefore not hardware and irrelevant to what we're discussing here, which is a new hybrid hardware/software product called Maschine.


um... maschine is just as virtual only as an fpc paired with an mpd. you can automate the record/play with a controller and use any pad controller to run the fpc (digital mpc by imageline) as a matter of fact... I can program in beats with battery followed by playing the keys on my digital rhodes or what ever synth i choose without having to look at the screen or touch a mouse...... not even 1 time.



the maschine is not considered a hardware instument... it is a virtual workstation with a proprietary controller... yes, an advanced controller that has some built in stuff like the lcd displays etc... but it still does absolutely nothing unless it is plugged in to the computer. simple as that. as for ableton live, the ableton users will probably go for the APC40 before they switch to a totally new interface... even if you can use the maschine to control ableton.

and by the way, from what i gather... i can control the maschine software with fruity loops or even cubase. (that is the selling point in my opinion)




... and yes, people have to set up the mpd on their own... just like you have to install the maschine software on your own unlike an mpc. it comes ready to bang out beats right out the box.

great sample based maschine video (sorry if this has already been posted);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17t5jlE ... re=channel

i own a 2500 and will (hopefully) be picking up a maschine this week - whether or not the maschine is returned or the mpc is sold is a matter of time..

derky wrote:great sample based maschine video (sorry if this has already been posted);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17t5jlE ... re=channel

The link is new to me. Thanks for sharing it.

Lotuz wrote:

64hz wrote:I thought we actually had some users on these forums who own a maschine? Whats ur opnion guys?

Are you referring to me, Doc?

I knew you would figure it out

The Machinist wrote:

derky wrote:great sample based maschine video (sorry if this has already been posted);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17t5jlE ... re=channel

The link is new to me. Thanks for sharing it.

that was a good video thanks
this one goes more into the details of creating a song from start to almost completion. But this guy is running it off of his niko so IMO the maschine has no choice but to function well with its configuration..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZW7kGbeSM

Looks promising, but im still holding out for either an upgraded Electribe and or the new dave smith roger linn machine. If it ever drops!

they hell is so special about damn step sequencing.

lazy mans way of programming drums.

Yea it helps during live use but what else, to me it limits my drums.

you keep bringing that shit up.

If i want step sequencing ill open up FL or reason.

clip matrix control for Ableton.....its been done before w/ other pieces of "hardware", pretty sure the Lemur allows it.

Also the only reason i can see why you like the maschine better is that akai didnt start production for the APC 40 until way after Maschine was already deep into production and announced the clip matrix control feature for the Maschine.

I can see why you like the "hardware-ish only" workflow it "offers" its something that everyone wants and im not afraid to say that i looked into the maschine before and may still also be interested.

Your making it seem like the Maschine is the end all be all.

Give it a year or 2 and there is going to be something a shit load better and can toast your bread.

**** the sample libraries these software offer.

It takes away the fun.

Anything less than 20ms is unrecognizable by the human ear.

Gotta correct you on this. I can easily tell the difference between 6 ms and 12 ms in a blind test. Only below 6 ms can I not tell the difference. This is in earphones of course were it's more obvious. It's just a matter of knowing how to test it and knowing what to look for. You need to a/b the low latency against the higher to really hear the difference. Kind of like you will think a dirty glass of water is clean until you put a real clean glass next to it.

Yes, all audio devices have some latency. The MPC and other hardware usually have well under 1 ms latency. That is not enough for normal humans to hear.

To get a low enough latency that most humans can't detect you need an audio card that can run stable at 64 buffers or lower. (RME/Lynx)

As far as Maschine, it sucks now anyway no matter how you feel about the software hardware thing. Functionally the MPC creams it do to missing really basic stuff. The upcoming Maschine update will solve most of that so it may be a real MPC alternative in the future. But I would not buy one until it gets there.

DJEther wrote:they hell is so special about damn step sequencing.

lazy mans way of programming drums.

Yea it helps during live use but what else, to me it limits my drums.

you keep bringing that **** up.

If i want step sequencing ill open up FL or reason.

Hardware step sequencing you get on devices like Electribe, Machinedrum, and Maschine allows a unique experience that you cannot have with any other sequencer, including software only step sequencers. The immediacy of tactile hardware buttons and the visual feedback of each step makes it for a very quick workflow and encourages experimentation.

Clicking each step on a computer screen on and off with a mouse on FL or Reason is miles away from that experience.

DJEther wrote:**** the sample libraries these software offer.

It takes away the fun.

I couldn't care less about the sample libraries that come with any product but I'm sorry, what you said is retarded. I mean, how dare the MPCs come with prepackaged factory samples and programs? It takes away the fun!!!

DJEther wrote:they hell is so special about damn step sequencing.

lazy mans way of programming drums.

Yes, there's truth in this. I don't use the step sequencer to program entire drum patterns. But it's a quick way to program the hi-hats. Then I'll record the kick, snare, etc in real time.

DJEther wrote:If i want step sequencing ill open up FL or reason.

Click, click, click. The end result may be the same, but programming patterns with a mouse and programming patterns with pads definitely is a different experience. I have to agree with emptysea on this.

Step sequencing is tons of fun, i do it all the time.

Especially the pads that light up like the elektron and electribes.
Its quite a cool and easy alternative way.

i like step sequencing. if you're able to write outside of your playing ability, there's no reason you should should slow yourself down. i don't think there's anything lazy about that at all.

i'd like the maschine alot better if it could control something other than a computer. i'd like it even more if it could function without a computer. its a controller. a really nice one at that, but still a controller. and considering the price of other really high end controllers (like lemurs), it seems like a pretty good deal. It seems like a good piece of equipment, but the features (from what i've seen) don't seem ahead of their time or anything.

also the maschine doesn't seem comparable to a machinedrum. put them side to side and see which one can synthesize wilder sounds. better yet, put just them side to side, with no near-by computers and see which one can make sound.

oh yeah, nice video derky. its funny how new users are better at showing its potential than company reps