Ideas and solutions for sampling "over" drums?

Hey. I'm just getting into using samples for beats but one of the biggest problems I'm having a is the drums on my sample clashing with the drums that I've programmed. I guess the possibilities are the EQ the drums out as much as possible, or stacking my own drums on top of the drums that are there...are either of these really feasible? Are there any tutorials out the for ish like this?

another thing you could do is sample from parts of the track that doesn't have any drums.

also, some of the geniuses here on the forums demonstrated a damn crafty way to eliminate drums entirely from music. it seemed to be like 95% effective (some tracks it didn't completely remove the drums, but most sounded like there never was drums in the first place) ... it was something about flipping the faze of the audio...

Yeah, but some of the illest parts have the drums, heh.

Isn't there some kind of nonsense involving low pass filters or something that can help with this sort of thing? Stuff I remember reading way before I started making beats...

Zeb wrote:Yeah, but some of the illest parts have the drums, heh.

Isn't there some kind of nonsense involving low pass filters or something that can help with this sort of thing? Stuff I remember reading way before I started making beats...

hey, good luck filtering out the beat completely... you can try to get it to a reasonable level but most of the time you wind up cutting out vital frequencies of the sample.

and a low pass filter wont get rid of the kicks

every sample is different, therefore will require a different technique. most times eq or filtering will do the trick for me. other times, if i have chopped on the drums, either adjust the sample start point so the attack of the drum isnt as present, or adjust the attack for the same result. you gotta figure out what YOU need to do. we dont know what sample your using, how youve chopped it, or what beat you got rattling in your head, so its hard to tell you what technique to use for exactly what you are trying to accomplish.

there is only so many ways to get that done. once youve tried them all, you gotta decide which one works best for your track.

You are experiencing phase issues. Any time you layer drums you need to make sure you aren't using the same samples twice. They can become out of phase and make that unwelcome flanging noise.

for me if the drums on the sample are nice i might just add some 808 kicks and thats it .if i definately want to layer new drums on top ,dont quantize them and try to mimick the original drum beat best u can.

I've noticed the last few sessions with my MPC are following this pattern exactly...
Its like the sample is usually a take-off point then I throw in some stuff over the top - and sometimes end up getting rid of the sample...

..and yes I generally stay away from quantize..

all you have to do is learn the bpm's . thats basically the samplers best tool. if you want to have the drums not clash with your own, than thats what you need. you can filter them out all you want, then you take presence out of the sample and any good sampler would still notice the drums. drums are a skeleton in music, there are ways to manipulate the skeleton but as far as eliminating the drums to layer over them: its basically impossible unless you have the bpms or you chop it up in a way that all the drums in the sample line up with your own drums.
ex: www.soundclick.com/mainiakist i always calculate bpms in my beats.

High pass filters work especially good for layering samples that have prominent drums in them. What I like to do is lay down a basic drum track comprised of one shots, and than layer the drums I programmed with the high pass filtered sample and tweak the filter settings until I come up with something satisfying.
90% of the time the frequencies will merge together perfectly...resulting in some pretty kick ass possibilities.

But yeah....Low pass filters usually wont cut the mustard for phasing out drums. Bandpass filters and High pass filters work much better for that purpose.

Dj Pound wrote:
But yeah....Low pass filters usually wont cut the mustard for phasing out drums. Bandpass filters and High pass filters work much better for that purpose.

As a side note - are 'hardware' mixers that do LPF, BPF etc any better than an mpc that offer the same thing ?

I don't have a lot of inputs - keyboard, iPod, mic so wasn't really looking to get a separate mixer, but if it did a better job of cutting out frequencies than my mpc I would reconsider for sure. Either that or I need a ton of practice in isolating drums, basslines etc.

But surely cutting a frequency out is the same however its done right ?

a simple trick is to attack the chops of the snare only, even trim the beginning of the snare to some extent(keep in mind that may change the timing if there's lots of hats).. i have been using samples with drums a lot lately, and just really good songs in general. i find myself just enjoying music when i'm sampling then come to and be like 'why am i listening to this shit', lol.
i been keeping those loops for when i get my v drums so i can start playing covers with some kruu.

Tune ur drums or use other drumsamples that won't fight the drums in the sample.

markmorgan10 wrote:

Dj Pound wrote:
But yeah....Low pass filters usually wont cut the mustard for phasing out drums. Bandpass filters and High pass filters work much better for that purpose.

As a side note - are 'hardware' mixers that do LPF, BPF etc any better than an mpc that offer the same thing ?

I don't have a lot of inputs - keyboard, iPod, mic so wasn't really looking to get a separate mixer, but if it did a better job of cutting out frequencies than my mpc I would reconsider for sure. Either that or I need a ton of practice in isolating drums, basslines etc.

But surely cutting a frequency out is the same however its done right ?

Im not sure what MPC your using, But I believe the 500 and the 1000 have LPF, BPF and HPF filters...I have the 2000XL and it only has a resonant LPF filter. So I process all my samples either in my microkorg or my ESX and than sample them into my MPC.
And yup, certain filters hit certain frequencies..A high pass filter with a bit of resonance can almost entirely silence all instruments in a sample and leave you with a clean "skeleton" of the sound..where you just here the upper highs and mids creating a kind of Tinny percussive sound perfect for mixing with other drums.
A BPF filter works just the same, but with more low end added in.

Dj Pound wrote:

markmorgan10 wrote:

Dj Pound wrote:
But yeah....Low pass filters usually wont cut the mustard for phasing out drums. Bandpass filters and High pass filters work much better for that purpose.

As a side note - are 'hardware' mixers that do LPF, BPF etc any better than an mpc that offer the same thing ?

I don't have a lot of inputs - keyboard, iPod, mic so wasn't really looking to get a separate mixer, but if it did a better job of cutting out frequencies than my mpc I would reconsider for sure. Either that or I need a ton of practice in isolating drums, basslines etc.

But surely cutting a frequency out is the same however its done right ?

Im not sure what MPC your using, But I believe the 500 and the 1000 have LPF, BPF and HPF filters...I have the 2000XL and it only has a resonant LPF filter. So I process all my samples either in my microkorg or my ESX and than sample them into my MPC.
And yup, certain filters hit certain frequencies..A high pass filter with a bit of resonance can almost entirely silence all instruments in a sample and leave you with a clean "skeleton" of the sound..where you just here the upper highs and mids creating a kind of Tinny percussive sound perfect for mixing with other drums.
A BPF filter works just the same, but with more low end added in.

cheers - I have a 2500 but have only just started to get into using HPF, BPF etc... will just have to carry on practicing I guess.
M