Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.

By elmacaco Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:12 am
I really don't care who agrees with me, but people hear it and repeat it as gospel. Overdrive your input and see if the original compression is still there, Old records can lose their transient response, and they may not have been compressed well or to give them a good snap. Recompressing is just like adding effects to a sound, you can really add some punch to a sound or bring up the overall volume of a sample that has some bits that are too quiet, etc. Mastering compression is very different than sound design compression.
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By theassfathasescaped Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:50 am
elmacaco wrote:I really don't care who agrees with me, but people hear it and repeat it as gospel.


lol. There you go again. So what are you trying to say? :)

Overdrive your input and see if the original compression is still there,


You are right. You've completely squashed the sample right now. Like, compressing it times 5. So now we're going to add compression to it?


Old records can lose their transient response,


True, but compression won't bring any of that back.

and they may not have been compressed well or to give them a good snap. Recompressing is just like adding effects to a sound, you can really add some punch to a sound or bring up the overall volume of a sample that has some bits that are too quiet, etc.


True. Especially about the older samples not being compressed well (by modern standards). But then again more modern stuff is compressed. Usually pretty heavily. And sure you can change the sound by adding more compression, but is it a sound you want? That's up to you the producer.

Edit: But none of this really makes a difference compared to being into your music.
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By MattMatiks PG Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:53 pm
Thanks for all the tips, Actually more of an ethical discussion on compression... But I got it down a little better now... The track I was havin trouble mixin, I've taken a whole new perspective on that... I'm loookin for better drums This track needs cleaner drums that I have... I was tryin to grimey it up a little but it's just not workin... SO I'm gonna look for new drum sounds... Thanks anyways though.
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By DOVESKI Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:55 pm
cyrus wrote:
Science wrote:why every body giving me funny faces? im not really a kanye west fan but he samples his drums from dre, and his beats come out tight......... probally tighter than, you cats giving funny faces, get your mind right!! :idea: :!: :idea: :!: :lol:



why not learn to do what dr.dre does?! :x


hire ghost producers to sequence the mpc, sample drums off compilations like dusty fingers, and hire $100/hour studio players to interpolate samples...um ok, no problem.

:wink:
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By MattMatiks PG Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:13 pm
DOVESKI wrote:
cyrus wrote:
Science wrote:why every body giving me funny faces? im not really a kanye west fan but he samples his drums from dre, and his beats come out tight......... probally tighter than, you cats giving funny faces, get your mind right!! :idea: :!: :idea: :!: :lol:



why not learn to do what dr.dre does?! :x


hire ghost producers to sequence the mpc, sample drums off compilations like dusty fingers, and hire $100/hour studio players to interpolate samples...um ok, no problem.

:wink:


LMFAO!!!
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By Freedom Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:53 am
The reason dre had the dusty fingers record was cause his shit was sampled from the original tracks in some of those compilations...

But but he never cleared the samples...

So this dusty fingers guy came out and said breaks used by dre premier etc.....

And dre got close to getting sued cause all of a sudden a record that was a hit for dre now became a nightmare as the person being sampled just found out 10 yrs later never knew its his song...

So the shit hit the fan to say
B/c of dusty fingers and dre most likely had it for sampling yess...
But he has the orignal breaks from the record so why not use the orginal..

Cause it damages the record and its worth alot so why not use a collection albm that has a couple of his rare breaks on one record...
That can be damaged anytime

By shocks Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:16 am
sampling dre makes you wick wick wack
no questions asked
By roxstar Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:15 am
If your taking your drums from loops, chances are they are already compressed. Chop em, and send em through an individual channel on a mixer, eq if needed, and if you want them to bump more, raise the fader.. need more, increase the gain. I wouldn't use compression unless your sounds have nevver been compressed before (example.. drum sounds straight from the keyboard/module.. vocals) but there's no use to use more on pre recorded material.
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By Freedom Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:25 pm
Actually sounds coming off of a Keyboard are usually more compressed then those off of a record..., Theu really put alot of effects on the keyboards to make you wanna buy the sounds...

Look in your programs page of any keyboard there is usually a compresser eq, reverb etc...
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By cyrus Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:53 am
DOVESKI wrote:
cyrus wrote:
Science wrote:why every body giving me funny faces? im not really a kanye west fan but he samples his drums from dre, and his beats come out tight......... probally tighter than, you cats giving funny faces, get your mind right!! :idea: :!: :idea: :!: :lol:



why not learn to do what dr.dre does?! :x


hire ghost producers to sequence the mpc, sample drums off compilations like dusty fingers, and hire $100/hour studio players to interpolate samples...um ok, no problem.

:wink:


i see what your sayin, but im sure you see what im sayin....know what im sayin?


BTW. regardless of what he "actually" does, try to make a dr.dre sounding track....if you can do it, you are getting better no matter which way you look at it. And it doesnt even have to be a dr.dre track, any commerical track that sounds good. And im not sayin jackin someones style, but actually analyze thier techniques to use with your skills.
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By cyrus Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:02 am
MattMatiks PG wrote:Thanks for all the tips, Actually more of an ethical discussion on compression... But I got it down a little better now... The track I was havin trouble mixin, I've taken a whole new perspective on that... I'm loookin for better drums This track needs cleaner drums that I have... I was tryin to grimey it up a little but it's just not workin... SO I'm gonna look for new drum sounds... Thanks anyways though.


mattmatiks, man, ive had tons of tracks where i just needed to switch up the drums. Sometimes even the drum pattern can be changed to better accent the instrumental; but you dont realize it until after its all arranged.

Most of the time i discover this when i just cant figure out what is wrong with the track, but i know that its not bangin the way i want. My problem is that i like to start with the drums, so i get lazy and finish with the same drums, i get use to just hearing the drum pattern as "drums" not as an interplay within the song...ya know?

Sometimes my whole song is balanced by where the kick hits along side the bass. If i mess with it, it sounds like crap. so check maybe you could replace or rearrange some kicks....mute the kick track though, and start a new one, just in case :shock:

peace

By pkScary Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:25 pm
sorry if i sound like a n00b, but what is interpolation?
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By cyrus Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:48 am
pkScary wrote:sorry if i sound like a n00b, but what is interpolation?


i think hes refering to: say i find a cool sample I like.....from Bach, or something-performed by the philadelphia symphony, well, ill flip the sample, but then instead of using the actuall sample, ill hire a musician, or "orchestra" to play the sample, then sample them, and use them the same way i did the sample....this way i can flip a sample and use it without having to pay royalties.

With royalties, you have to pay twice, one for the "arrangement" of the melody, and second for the recording of it. So basically the artist who created it, and the producer, or people who recorded it. BTW im no expert.

But anyways, the thing is, sometimes you can flip a sample so that no one can recognize the original arrangement of it, but what about the sound quality? thats where the recording royalties come in, if someone can notice the recording of it, whether its been fliped or not, you have to pay.

this is why the interpolate.

so drdre, might do a rough arrangement using samples from records, then when its all said and done, hell hire a musician to perform it, or play it, then record it.

or at least thats what i know, someone else chime in.

peace
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By MattMatiks PG Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:28 am
Or you could keep it underground and not clear your samples... Sh*t, Heiroglyphics don't clear their samples and they're pretty big... Plus they openly talk about some fo the sh*t they sampled...