MPC5000 reviews, bug reports and fellow user support on the most recent standalone, hardware MPC from Akai
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By Jaytim3 Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:11 pm
If the maschine had more midi ins and outs i would gladly change to maschine..
By jpeele Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:44 pm
I had to chime in on this one. I just sold Maschine. Why? One word. Reliability. I know some people think that the MPC5000 is not reliable, has bugs and is not as stable as it once was, but compared to Maschine and dealing with the computer, it is FOR ME. I have to stress for me because everyone's experience is different. I know people that use Maschine and they swear by it. I, on the other hand, have a manager on my ass everyday looking for new music. I don't have time for quirky drawbacks of software. I trust the MPC to hold me down. I'll use software for the sounds and to have other options. But the MPC is what you would want to get a track going quickly and have something that will perform day in and day out. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to throw my damn computer(s) out the window. I have a top of the line MAC Pro desktop and top of the line PC and it's always the same shit. When I cut my mpc on, that shit works. Period.

Granted, there are trade offs. The MPC is annoying when it comes to building kits and naming sounds. It's structure for sound management is archaic as hell, especially if you know what it's like to build a kit in, let's say, Ableton Live's drum rack or just loading a sound in FL Studio. It's also sometimes annoying that you have to track the beat out in pro tools or whatever daw you use. However, those are small tradeoffs for the reliability. You're going to have to invest a little time in building kits and transfering sounds to your daw, but you just have to put in that extra little work. I sold an mpc before looking to go fully software only to turn around and buy the shit back.

In the end you have to do what's best for you. I would advise to experiment as much as you can. Every producer is different. What works for me may not work for you. You have to come to that conclusion on your own. I'm just sharing what works for me.

Good luck.
By seiko Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:05 am
CoinUp! wrote:@Seiko; You are getting repetetive! Shut the F#CK UP! Yes we know with Maschine/Computer/Logic you can edit quicker with most things. How about the fun factor? Inspiration? Satisfaction? Did I mention how fun it is to work with any MPC?


I fail to see why an MPC would have a higher 'fun factor' then Maschine ??
You like to be able to make tracks by creating loops by knocking on pads driving some samples....if this is what 'fun factor' means, then I don't see why Maschine and MPC would be different. Explain to me :-)

Getting more 'inspiration' by using an MPC instead of Maschine ??? sorry but to me this makes no sense. They are both boxes with knobs to turn, and pads to hit..I don't see why the MPC box would give me more inspiration.

you get more satisfaction making a loop with MPC then Maschine ?? that's personally then because to me I have no different sense in satisfaction wether I make a loop wit only Maschine, or with my MPC , TR808, TR909, Virus and the rest of my studio !?

So again, some subjective 'arguments' which in my opinion are no arguments at all, quite repetitive in my opinion, allways the same non-arguments with these MPC diehards.

Keep em coming...

please note it is NOT that I would like to 'convert' all MPC users to use Maschine : use whatever works for you.
In my first post I just wanted to point out why I personally use Maschine more then my MPC 5000; this to answer the question asked in this thread.
As I still have the MPC 5000, I am asking for MPC 5000 users why they prefer it over Maschine...I never get any serious objective answers but answers like the ones above which do not make sense to me.
By seiko Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:07 am
jpeele wrote:I had to chime in on this one. I just sold Maschine. Why? One word. Reliability. I know some people think that the MPC5000 is not reliable, has bugs and is not as stable as it once was, but compared to Maschine and dealing with the computer, it is FOR ME. I have to stress for me because everyone's experience is different. I know people that use Maschine and they swear by it. I, on the other hand, have a manager on my ass everyday looking for new music. I don't have time for quirky drawbacks of software. I trust the MPC to hold me down. I'll use software for the sounds and to have other options. But the MPC is what you would want to get a track going quickly and have something that will perform day in and day out. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to throw my damn computer(s) out the window. I have a top of the line MAC Pro desktop and top of the line PC and it's always the same ****. When I cut my mpc on, that **** works. Period.

Granted, there are trade offs. The MPC is annoying when it comes to building kits and naming sounds. It's structure for sound management is archaic as hell, especially if you know what it's like to build a kit in, let's say, Ableton Live's drum rack or just loading a sound in FL Studio. It's also sometimes annoying that you have to track the beat out in pro tools or whatever daw you use. However, those are small tradeoffs for the reliability. You're going to have to invest a little time in building kits and transfering sounds to your daw, but you just have to put in that extra little work. I sold an mpc before looking to go fully software only to turn around and buy the **** back.

In the end you have to do what's best for you. I would advise to experiment as much as you can. Every producer is different. What works for me may not work for you. You have to come to that conclusion on your own. I'm just sharing what works for me.

Good luck.


As I also said before : use what works for you.

I run a Macbook of 3 years old (so 'only' 2,4 Ghz) and I never experienced "quirky drawbacks of software" so far.
I guess you need a certein level of luck when working with computers.
By Clint Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:27 pm
Do we need a "...Vs Maschine thread for each MPC model?

We've already covered this product in great detail as a quick search would have revealed.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=129024
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By psr Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:28 pm
séance wrote: If you're making synthetic beats that don't involve sampling it's a good investment.



IDK man... No ID made JayZ's DOA on it. like my man above said its output will be as dope as its input. u put dope samples in chances are you'll get dope beats out of it (given a bit of talent). for instance this dude is pretty dope with it http://www.youtube.com/user/knocksquared


IMO its just a tool. like antyhing else. i might get one despite having a 5000. but i dont plan to get rid of the 5000. they can co exist. (besides i sold my 2kxl a few years back and went all logic / reason... loved it but missed my mpc) some days you feel like using different tools. As a matter of fact I tend grow as a producer when i use different gear. it challenges my creativity in a way.
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By Mike Boogie Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:33 pm
Solution:

Maschine Kits mapped into an MPCxxxx

DONE!

/thread
By CoinUp! Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:16 pm
If NI would endorse I would also say I made a hit beat with Maschine............
By seiko Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:31 am
psr wrote:
séance wrote:


IMO its just a tool. like antyhing else. i might get one despite having a 5000. but i dont plan to get rid of the 5000. they can co exist. (besides i sold my 2kxl a few years back and went all logic / reason... loved it but missed my mpc) some days you feel like using different tools. As a matter of fact I tend grow as a producer when i use different gear. it challenges my creativity in a way.


exactly

this is why I own different synths, different drumboxes, analogue, digital, etc etc
many of them might overlap but all of them have their unique way of using and sound different which makes it more interesting for me...depending on what I want to achieve, one box/synth might be 'better' to use for that purpose, but I do not own one piece of gear that is 'the best' for all the things I do

some painters refine their art of painting with exactly the same paint on the same canvas, but some of them like to use different paints and different sizes/sorts of canvases.

What I notice is that quite some (mostly american ?) MPC users are hiphoppers using MPC only and they are quite narrowminded about it (MPC is 'the sh*t' and the rst s*cks) , but quite some (more european ?) tend to use MPC also for other music ,next to a bunch of other tools and just see it as one of their tools that has it's merits and good points, but also can admit the bad points of it which can be replaced by using other stuff next to it.
Above is purely how this forum is percieved a lot of times by me as a european :-)
By golfzerosafari Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:31 pm
seiko wrote:
psr wrote:
séance wrote:


IMO its just a tool. like antyhing else. i might get one despite having a 5000. but i dont plan to get rid of the 5000. they can co exist. (besides i sold my 2kxl a few years back and went all logic / reason... loved it but missed my mpc) some days you feel like using different tools. As a matter of fact I tend grow as a producer when i use different gear. it challenges my creativity in a way.


exactly

this is why I own different synths, different drumboxes, analogue, digital, etc etc
many of them might overlap but all of them have their unique way of using and sound different which makes it more interesting for me...depending on what I want to achieve, one box/synth might be 'better' to use for that purpose, but I do not own one piece of gear that is 'the best' for all the things I do


some painters refine their art of painting with exactly the same paint on the same canvas, but some of them like to use different paints and different sizes/sorts of canvases.

What I notice is that quite some (mostly american ?) MPC users are hiphoppers using MPC only and they are quite narrowminded about it (MPC is 'the sh*t' and the rst s*cks) , but quite some (more european ?) tend to use MPC also for other music ,next to a bunch of other tools and just see it as one of their tools that has it's merits and good points, but also can admit the bad points of it which can be replaced by using other stuff next to it.
Above is purely how this forum is percieved a lot of times by me as a european :-)




Totally off topic

I been to a few places around the world. One thing I do notice is people from other countries assuming this and that about another people. But when you just listen to them they will let you know they are hippocrites. Look in the mirror...."american mpc users think everything else sucks" Who's narrow minded when you cant except why somebody has subjective views on something they love?
By seiko Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:57 am
[quote="golfzerosafari"]
" Who's narrow minded when you cant except why somebody has subjective views on something they love?[/quote
And now you hit exactly the point I am trying to make : the question this thread was started for, was to compare two pieces of gear as objectively as possible.
I hardly see any objective reasoning here !
I could also say : Maschine IS the best because it's my cat's favorite piece of gear to sleep on and I love my cat the most in the world.

Please re-read all my posts where :
1) I try to be objective
2) I always try to say it is my personal opinion/feeling, not a 'statement' which is always true. Same goes for my off topic remark(s)...
By A100Drumz Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:57 am
thx for all the replies guys.. defiantly sum true die hards in here. gotta respect that. and i do love my mpc enough to were i dont think im quite ready to transition into maschine but i am still tryin to grow more into software. and despite what most of u are saying im sure u could get just as quality productions with maschine as u do any mpc... u all know its not what u use but how u use it. but like someone said i was kinda looking for maschine to be like my mpc and to replace it but after your replies and further review i see its not quite there.
By Clint Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:18 pm
Mike Boogie wrote:Solution:

Maschine Kits mapped into an MPCxxxx

DONE!