Maschine vs MPC 4000

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

LvngDead wrote:

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

Blue Haze wrote: Jahrome doesn`t know wtf he is talking about.

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mr_debauch wrote:decent post A.S.


you need somebody on both sides of the fence for a proper thing like this..


I am surprised you only mentioned virtual things on that one... and no hardware/ergonomics/build comparisons.


But as of now on the maschine, okay you cant time stretch... I am guessing that includes the pitching up or down without changing the sample length (reverse time stretch if you will) any of that type of thing is not currently included?

Askia Shaheed wrote:

You have to love this forum when the kids here can't keep their comments on the subject at hand and resort to name calling. Get a life..get a girflriend...find a job.

Actually you should come forth with a beat instead of running your mouth and running away.

Classics were made on analog tape that need a razor blade to perform edits...yes, I am sure people want to go back to those days. Classics were made on samplers that had 12 seconds of sample time. Feel free to go back to the samplers..you can find them in eBay for under $100. Classics were made on 8 track recorders....today, why be limited with the technology we have.

Cuz it doesn`t matter what you have if you can put a decent groove together. It is just spending money for nothing I forgot you are a collector so you don`t care about mastering gear.

First, I don't believe Maschine has to operate exactly like an MPC...but it is a great place to start since MPCs are the standard. However, in 2010, it should have similar tools as previous flagship samplers which it doesn't. As a consumer, I point out flaws in music production gear. It is up to these companies to listen or not. User feedback is the reason why we have these latest MPCs with the power they have...the reason for OS 2 for the MPC 5000 or the JJ OS for the MPC 2500/1000. Heck...its the reason why we now have Pro Tools 9 which isn't tied to Avid hardware..and finally have delay compensation for plug-ins. The same is true for OS 1.6 for Maschine. You can thank use die-hard samplers for all the time and energy we put forward in providing feedback...while many of you just talk BS about what we do only to reap the benefits of our deeds.

This we can agree on but really talking about what it can`t do with tons of videos in this very thread with great music is nonsense. What kool aid are you drinking?? This thread is 4k vs maschine for new buyers and some currrent mpc owners every bodies has different workflow even if maschine had O.S 10 with all you asked if it still doesn`t fit your workflow it won`t. People have to find the unit that fits them not depend on some update that may or may not come. Simply walk in the store and play with one.

Back to Maschine:
Sample layering. I can relate to the fact the some may not use this feature. But others do. I am one of them. Maschine doesn't do it the way an MPC does. Of course you can just record two drum hits at the same location as a work around...there are many other ways to do so. Again, this isn't the point. As far as drum layering getting worst with new MPCs..this isn't accurate. The older MPCs had SIMULT and no keygroup programming. Newer MPCs have layering in drum programs and keygroup/instrument programs. Depending which OS you are using, SIMULT is also available. I like the newer MPCs layering even though the models apply the same LFO/FIlter settings. They still give you separate panning, pitch, etc, per layer which is still extremely useful than not having it at all.

yada, yada, you are repeating what I already said about the 3k and 2xl. Layering for panning, pitch, also start, filter, and cool but the true is the samples have to be edited if you got a deep subby kick, hard punchy kick and a long strong sustain kick just throwing them under the same pad with out editing isn`t helping anybody. Like I said if you keep them separate pads you can use all the tools in your unit to get them right. To each his own.

Timestretch/pitchshifting. Many users don't necessarily need time stretch and pitchshifting to be perfect in a drum machine. Mistakes/flaws are part of the creative process. Maschine needs these features..and NI hints that it will be added in the future..as it should.

True but not having them doesn`t prevent people from making a beat. And I myself seldom use the timestretch or pitchshifting on the 4k. Like I said before I use Ableton it is much better to prepare the samples first before putting into the sampler.

Chopping/slicing. Maschine doesn't come close to the chopping in the JJ OS or the Akai OS 2 for the MPC 5000. Maschine is limited by the number of regions in can slice a sample into. MPCs can slice a sample and spread it across 64 pads or more depending on the model and OS you choose. Maschine certainly doesn't have the non-destructive chopping of the JJ OS...which is the truth.

This is workflow only for most beats you are looking at tempo or timing when you chop. If I want to chop down a 8 bar loop into a 1/16 notes maybe I would need 64 regions. Or if I want to use auto threshold or whatever you or on rather than make a copy I would want a non destructive sample like you wish. But I`m curious what to you Jah chop up into 64 pieces really a one bar drum loop? A whole 4 bar chorus?? I would love to check out your work and see why you need all of this.

Name/rename. Maschine doesn't have an easy way to name/rename samples. Using an MPC, you can freely do this anytime you like. Maschine, you have to name a sample prior to actually sampling or it will give your sample a crazy name that you can't easily edit. This may seem small..but its very annoying to many in the NI Forum.

I agree.

PS...as far as being at the opposite end of everything...I championed the MPC 2500 and 5000 in this forum when a few of you were naysayers. Also..the last time I checked, you created this versus thread. We already have enough people talking the pros of Maschine...and I am talking the pros of an MPC.

Jah all you do it run out and buy the lastest and greatest gear and cop it for your collection. How to actually use the unit, you wouldn`t know time shift from a pitch envelope or the reason we timeslice for tempo you crack me up. Tell you what NI can come with a zillion features and it wouldn`t change a thing for you just another addition to your collection until the next gear it release in 2011, 2012 or whenever.

Go make a beat son. It is all about the music if you can`t make a beat now timestretch and pitchshift aint going to do shit for ya wake up.
....to be continued.

You can't intelligently discuss or debate the differences and/or pros/cons of these two devices that you created a thread on. This is the reason why you keep trying to distract people with talk that is not relevant to this thread.

Since you appear to not comprehend what I wrote, here it is again. I am talking specifically about features of each Maschine as it stands on its own. Not talking about work-arounds or work flows.

2KXL4life wrote:I think Jerome made some.good.points this time around and
U guys bash him for being honest he owns a mpc and machine
And admits machine is just not cutting like I wouldn't expect it too
It's a cool gimmick but its sad when people who can't afford a mpc
Buy this cheap midi controller and try to justify there purchase
By saying it kills the unit they can afford ...what ever make u happy about your
Purchase I guess ...maschine is pretty wack if u ask me

Blue Haze wrote:
Roland MV has all of the features cats are complaining about but no one is running out to get one.