Using Swing / Late Notes

So, just wondering what the popular consensus is on this. Especially on faster tempo tracks I like to use a little more swing and make notes late. This last track I did, I ended up making ALL the notes fall equally late. Which raises the question, if everything is equally late, did I just take all the swing back out of the track? Is it just simply delayed a few milliseconds? wondering what some other people like to apply the swing to: Just hats? Just hat's and snare? I know it depends for each circumstance but give me an idea, thanks.

I posted something relating to what you're probably looking for...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140666

Keep in mind that this does relate to each track and not the seq in whole.

you have anything audible?

dabmeister wrote:I posted something relating to what you're probably looking for...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140666

Keep in mind that this does relate to each track and not the seq in whole.

Correction...

It does work for all tracks if the option is set for that. However, this applies to the functionality of the 4k.

It may be different for the other models though.

-niN wrote:you have anything audible?

As in you're asking the op this right?

i don't have an audible track. i'm on the 2kxl. you can manually adjust "ALL NOTES" on each track to achieve a global swing i guess.

Mastakilla wrote:i don't have an audible track. i'm on the 2kxl. you can manually adjust "ALL NOTES" on each track to achieve a global swing i guess.

Yes, that is the norm. But what about the intricate parts of making different components of the sequence swing?

I would like to know more about this.

If you make ALL the notes on ALL the tracks equally late, then yes, that is just a delay. Everything will still be quantised, just a bit later.
Sometimes the MPC handles the first step a little differently though, so maybe it does the same for notes that would fall outside the sequence if they were pushed too far late. In that case, the extremes of the sequence, the beginning or the end, might be a little different.

But yes, if you apply the same function to every single note, then you are not adding swing, you are just delaying everything. Example if I have a drum and snare both hit at the same time, and I make them both the same amount late, they will still hit at the same time, just later. If I only apply the late to one of them, now we're getting into funky drummer territory.

When you 'DO IT' and set a track to swing, it affects that track only, and every new track you make. What this means is, if you want to global swing a seq with tracks already in it, you have to apply the swing to each track.
However, if you set the swing, apply it, and then start making tracks, all the tracks you make will have that original swing set by default.

This can be helpful, but it can also drive you crazy if you forget you have it on. You might have set it to a really crazy swing, then change gears and start a totally new sequence, but the crazy swing is still on.
I think the same applies to the LATE/EARLY settings. It's basically working totally in conjunction with your quantisation setting.

This is for the 2kxl.

Just want to add that you can't put swing on ALL NOTES. The swing parameter will affect ALL PADS but not every note. Swing will automaticly shift the offbeat 8th or offbeat 16th notes. The "onbeat" notes will stay in its place.

peace

Here's a perspective of what Akai wrote on the subject for the 4k...

MPC4000 wrote:
Applying timing correction to an already-recorded track
You can apply timing correction to a track that has already been recorded. Executing this operation will rewrite the timings of the note events.

1. Play back the sequence, and verify the track, measure location, and range of
notes (or pads) to which you want to apply timing correction.

2. Move the cursor to the TC field, and press the [WINDOW] key.
The Timing Correct popup window will appear.

A TC field
Selects the unit of timing correction.

B Swing field
Specifies the amount of swing.

C Shift timing field
Selects the direction in which the entire sequence will be shifted. If you select EARLIER,
the sequence will be shifted toward the beginning. If you select LATER, the sequence
will be shifted toward the end. Use the Shift amount field to adjust the amount of shift.

D Shift amount field
Specifies the amount of shift for the entire sequence, in tick units. The maximum value
that you can set for this field will be half of the value you specify in the TC field.

E Track field
Selects the track that will be affected.

F Time field
Specifies the start and end locations of the region to which timing correct will be applied,
in units of measures/beats/ticks. Timing correct will not affect note data outside this
region.

G Notes/Pad field
Specifies the range of note numbers/pad numbers to which timing correct will be applied.

H [F1] key (CLOSE)
Cancels the operation and closes the popup window.

I [F6] key (DO IT)
Executes the timing correct operation.

Just want to add that you can't put swing on ALL NOTES

Right.
It's confusing because SWING and LATE do different things, but you can use the late/early feature to achieve swing...so long as you don't apply it to all notes.

nogginj wrote:

Just want to add that you can't put swing on ALL NOTES

Right.
It's confusing because SWING and LATE do different things, but you can use the late/early feature to achieve swing...so long as you don't apply it to all notes.

Is it different on the other mpc's? Yeah I agree with the all thing, but what if the user decides to manually shift things. Wouldn't (F) & (G) time field/note field determind all or whatever amount the user chooses, in terms of shifting forwards or backwards?

F Time field
Specifies the start and end locations of the region to which timing correct will be applied,
in units of measures/beats/ticks. Timing correct will not affect note data outside this
region.

G Notes/Pad field
Specifies the range of note numbers/pad numbers to which timing correct will be applied.

-niN wrote:you have anything audible?

As in you're asking the op this right?[/quote]


wus asking mastakilla..

so I could maybe get an example of what exactly he is on about

peterpiper wrote:Just want to add that you can't put swing on ALL NOTES. The swing parameter will affect ALL PADS but not every note. Swing will automaticly shift the offbeat 8th or offbeat 16th notes. The "onbeat" notes will stay in its place.

peace

I don't know about the 2K xl. cuz I'm on the 2500 with jjos.

But in the quantize screen I can move
all notes
or just the notes from certain pads,
in a certain track
or in all tracks
forward/later by a variable nr. of ticks.

if u know what I mean..? my explenation might be a little bit confusing..