Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By jnorth Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:35 am
I'm a dinosaur, so I sample all my drums from vinyl, but i've got a few sample CDs full of drums gathering dust. I can't help but feel like a cheater if I use them. I feel like i'm making things too easy for myself.

Does anyone use sample cds?
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By rebel_lion Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:19 am
Nothing wrong with using drum library sounds. When I started making beats that was all I ever used until I couldn't find the drum sound that I was looking for so I sampled from vinyls and layered stock drums underneath it to give it that fullness. Now I don't use stock sounds anymore since I ha ve my own library.
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By Lampdog Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:32 am
I have no vinyl, I have no choice but to use everything else I find/see/hear/want. I don't feel like a cheater though. It's sounds, everywhere, use them. Your cheating yourself if you don't.
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By Ibunshi Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:58 am
? ..its not any less cheating than any other way of making use of something you didnt create yourself.. Like sampling vinyl, lol

So rid yourself of irrational pride and make use of those hits if you think they're good.. If you want to be proud, then be proud of your music instead of a method.. Its kinda like being proud of hammering planks rather than the house you built :D
By roxstar Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:18 pm
A sound is a sound. Personally, I don't use sample cd's with processed sounds because they never seem to fit my type of music. I'd much rather grab a tambourine off a record and try to clean it up than use a kit processed with $100,000 worth of studio gear. Every sound I use needs a certain element of dirt included. I use breakbeats from samples because when you sample vinyl, isn't the MPC reading the same thing? MP3's, WAV..I could care less. I've sampled from the worst quality MP3's (not kick drums though) because I refuse to pay for an SP-1200! Works for me! :)
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By psr Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:54 pm
I use everything from eery where. i've sampled drums. direct into mpc, direct into logic, processed thru compressor and/or preamp. i've bought library drums. some i'm pleased with some i hated. but i can say that i've rarely used library drums as is. I usually stack, tune, effect and/or otherwise alter the sounds so as to build my own kits. The coolness in that is that I end up with totally new sounds in a kit thats unique to my production preferences.

i say sample buy download stack effect layer until your heart is content. there are no rules to this. trust your ears

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maybe the rule is just that "Trust your ears!" if it sounds good go with it.
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By thx Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:45 am
psr wrote:I use everything

i say sample download stack effect layer until your heart is content. there are no rules to this.

maybe the rule is just that "Trust your ears!" if it sounds good go with it.
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By Cases Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:25 am
I usually stack, tune, effect and/or otherwise alter the sounds so as to build my own kits. The coolness in that is that I end up with totally new sounds in a kit thats unique to my production preferences.

i say sample buy download stack effect layer until your heart is content. there are no rules to this. trust your ears

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maybe the rule is just that "Trust your ears!" if it sounds good go with it.


This is what I do, sumtimes I spend 2 hours on just making a snare, keep on layering with the original making it fatter and fatter, then make a thin layer.. and resampling it over 10 times.. then combine them. through internal MPC and external effects and devices...

This is the thing I like the most, but I need to do this for my "instrument" samples also..
By mpcidiot Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:49 pm
never used them and i'll tell you why. It just seems one step along the path to pre-made loops. if i sample drums, synthesize drums or use classic drum machines, they;re all sounds with a lot of depth to them. the drummer on the record was reall into it, the 808 is engineered to perfection,etc. when i listen to some generic drum library I just think of a fat boring session musician tapping away and an engineer optimising the sounds on a technical level with no soul or passion behind it. Of course, i could sample a vinyl where the drummer was disinterested in it, but i don't know that. with library sounds, we all know that.
it doesnt make any difference to the music really, but it would make a difference to me and affect my production decisions.
so basically, you can use them, but deep down you might not be able to kick the nagging feeling that you've had a helping hand with your track
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By Menco Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:00 pm
I also prefer to sample my drumsounds. Especially when I make a hiphop beat, because then I want my drums to have some dirt.
I do have some library sounds, but most of the time I only use them to layer a sampled sound.
Sometimes when I work on a track that has an cleaner overall sound I use library stuff.

Doesn't feel like cheating to me at all. Because of the history of hiphop it's quite logical that a lot of sounds are recordsample based, but is def. not the only way to go.
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By Coz Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:06 pm
mpcidiot wrote:deep down you might not be able to kick the nagging feeling that you've had a helping hand with your track



As a sampling musician you have to get into the mindset that a lot of the sounds you use have given you a "helping hand", and basically look past it.

I make everything my own regardless of where I get it from. 8)
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By Ibunshi Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:04 pm
Coz wrote:
mpcidiot wrote:deep down you might not be able to kick the nagging feeling that you've had a helping hand with your track



As a sampling musician you have to get into the mindset that a lot of the sounds you use have given you a "helping hand", and basically look past it.

I make everything my own regardless of where I get it from. 8)



yeah.. i've never got how people can say that they dont like to "cheat" and then go out and sample stuff they didnt create themselves.. its hypocrisy.. its the same as - "i will think of others as cheaters when they use material they didnt create themselves, but i will look away when i do it myself" lol


there is nothing wrong with using a drumlibrary.. in fact, you could say that it is even less cheating than sampling, because they tend to be made in a way so that they are neutral, where YOU have to put in the work to make things fit well - compared to sampling something premade, where it has been processed to fit something, and where you get character for free without lifting a finger.. it is far more getting a helping hand than when using something neutral where character, taste and style comes from your own personal choices..

BUT none of this should even matter if you sample stuff.. you cant sample stuff and then feel pride becauise "atleast i didnt use a drum library"

because when you do that, you put yourself lower on the scale than the ones that creates everything themselves that feels pride because "atleast i didnt sample anything"

which in turn put themselves lower on the scale than the ones that takes things even further and build their own instruments - "atleast i this music is truly my own, because the result isnt much determined by the creator of the instruments i use"

where people get so controlling that they need to know everything about the material used to build the instrument to be able to feel its their own music..

but it doesnt really stop there..

the only true and actual way to create music that is truly and purely your own creation is to give birth to yourself in an absolutely dark vacuum, void of anything that could reach your senses.. only then would anything you create truly be your own, only then could you attempt to invent music from scratch with no influenses to lead you or give you ideas.


but people like to force their egos into what they do, and that can lead to feeling pride about all kinds of things that shouldnt be so relevant.. it shoudlnt be relevant if the music, the end result of the work where the biggest priority..


if everyone could simply push a button that lead to music automatically being created, you would still see people trying to push their egos into that process just so they could justify calling it their own creation

but with a bit of perspective its all a bit silly imo.. like i said before, i think it is better to feel proud about the end result rather than what metod you used to get it, because that should be irrelevant if you cared more about the music instead of the method


tbh, i think the people that has the biggest problem with it, are the ones that the most need to do it, not only because you can push the ego back a bit by doing so, but mostly because it can lead to new doors getting opened, leading to new musical growth.. there are people feeling so proud about building their own programs and synths that they cant consider doing anything else.. but had they put the ego back, and tried incorporating something else, it could have lead to their music flourishing like never before.. its a kind of pride that isnt really good for you imo