mpc 3000 or maschine

If it really is an either/or choice. I'd go for the mpc 3000.

Nym wrote:people are underinformed about sensors, not their fault but it's the truth
FSRs are all the same, it's all about the calibration software involved.

It's not about software calibration. People wouldn't be modding Akai pads if that were the case. There's a fundamental difference between the design of MPC pads and Maschine pads which makes all the difference in terms of sensitivity and responsiveness.

It's not about software calibration. People wouldn't be modding Akai pads if that were the case.

if there's one thing people here should know better than to challenge me on, it's musical instrument pressure sensor technology and rubber pads. if you reread my post, you'll notice that i did not mention pads themselves but instead the underlying FSRs. the degree of user-controlled calibration provided by the software determines how well the machine is able to interpret the changing resistance of the sensors as they are triggered.

the effectiveness of the rubber pad actuator itself depends the shore hardness and the thickness of the rubber between the finger and the FSR. it also depends on whether or not the manufacturer was dumb enough to include a gap between the actuator portion of the pad and the FSR itself (as is the case in the mpc500, 1000, 2500, and i assume 5000).

He's more of a knowledgeable salesman at GC than a technician Nym

Personally, I find all the talk about MPC pad issues hilarious as I have never...ever had any issues wih MPC pads regardless of which unit I used at any given time. I replaced my MPC 3000 and 2000XL with two MPC 25000s and never really looked back. In doing so, I have never felt as if the MPC 2500s pads were inferior to the legacy MPC pads. Everyone has opnions on this matter...but for me, the differences between these pads are negligible at best.

It is really too early to talk about how robust the Maschine's pads are. It hasn't been around that long. While I have no issues with Maschine's bads, there are some reports of forum members needing replacement pads for it. Only time will tell though....this was the same story with the MPC 1000.

As far as the MPC 3000 and Maschine....if I was staring from scratch...I would lean towards Maschine. Maschine simply has a greater feature set than an MPC 3000...its night and day.

Anyone needing 'expressive playing' I suggest a MIDI keyboard controller......

I ended up going with maschine . since i already have 2 s950's and a sp 1200 in my set up.

yeah the pads on the imaschine app feel a bit off

matv wrote:yeah the pads on the imaschine app feel a bit off

Have you tried wiping the glass with some windex and polishing it a bit?

Nym wrote:^ what is maschine's pad sensor sensitivity calibration like? what are all the parameters for adjustment?

people are underinformed about sensors, not their fault but it's the truth
FSRs are all the same, it's all about the calibration software involved.

No amount of calibration software is going to fix the inherent design flaw of Akai's pads. Maschine's pads are so much more touch sensitive. It's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JagryQzFxJU&t=03m59s

emptysea wrote:

Nym wrote:^ what is maschine's pad sensor sensitivity calibration like? what are all the parameters for adjustment?

people are underinformed about sensors, not their fault but it's the truth
FSRs are all the same, it's all about the calibration software involved.

No amount of calibration software is going to fix the inherent design flaw of Akai's pads. Maschine's pads are so much more touch sensitive. It's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JagryQzFxJU&t=03m59s

I never..ever felt MPC pads had a 'design flaw.' The 'design flaw' was used to create numerous hit records over the past 25 years. The best built MPC ever made (3000LE) has this 'design flaw.'

Maschine's pads are ok and are even more sensitive to legacy MPCs pads. But Maschine is a new product and time will reveal how robust the pads really are. There are already reports of pad issues.

The MPC Ren boasts a new pad design. Check out the videos online. They are very sensitive. And the issue being spoke of here will not be a concern.

crate king 1 wrote:I ended up going with maschine . since i already have 2 s950's and a sp 1200 in my set up.

In conclusion: Maschine

maschine pads blow.

crossings wrote:maschine pads blow.

Oh, did you not get the memo? Maschine's pads are so much more touch sensitive than any Akai pads. It's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JagryQzFxJU&t=03m59s

emptysea wrote:

crossings wrote:maschine pads blow.

Oh, did you not get the memo? Maschine's pads are so much more touch sensitive than any Akai pads. It's ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JagryQzFxJU&t=03m59s

And aspects of the actual sampler found in the MV-8800 is more advanced than those found in Akai MPCs....but it wasn't a saving grace.

Its a culmination of the entire product which makes MPCs crazy. But in the context of this thread...I would suggestion Maschine for another user if you can only have one as Maschine is more of a complete self-contained workstation....and the MPC 3000 the centerpiece of your MIDI production studio.

Well you like the 3000 and you eyeing the Maschine. Why not wait until the Ren drops and have it both ways. MPC and software. huh? huh? huh?