Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Sm0keydaBear Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:31 pm
Most often I'm always trying to mess around with synthesis and the bi-products of it. The whole thing is, if you have an image in your head and you're trying to put it on a canvas, you're not going to be able to get the whole spectrum included unless you do all the programming and know what's going on in your own tracks. Otherwise, you will have a great deal of trouble trying to figure out why something sounds like what. The reason I shy away from sampling myself is because too many people do not see it as the artform that it really is. Sampling in it's own right is art, but most will just tell you that you're stealing.
By grassroots Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:25 pm
In terms of over coming - 'feeling like your playing the same groove over and over' I once went to an MPC forum and the guy giving the forum (MU- from Fat Freddies Drop) said that often he would load a sample and play along with it. This helps get the feel of the pattern and the groove - then he would drop the the sample out - this is worth experimenting with! Peace
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By Lampdog Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:39 pm
I used to do that with my asr10 when I first got it. It came with 8 discs and many other kits I got from that same store, they always told me to come on back every week to copy new libraries for free. I ended up with 1000+ discs I believe.

Played ASR drum kits and ASR kybd parts to some of my favorite loops from songs.
Started learning myself up on lots of different stuff. Once I got the hang of it I would drop out sampled sounds little by little and keep going. A few months down the road I was able to make bangers with minimal samples.

Well, they were bangers to my ears anyway.
By MPC-G Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:07 pm
Ill-Green wrote:When I got serious in production I started with no samples. I would plug my synth into my cd recorder and record myself playing random tunes or songs I learned from piano 101 in high school and freak them. I have like 40 cds of those sessions of free play of different sounds and melodies, and then sample and chop. Now I'm working at my guitar game and will make more cds of those sessions too and will make beats with them.

I love sampling vinyl though and it portrays Ill Green's character well which is why I go that route.


Damnnit good idea... never thought of it like that... (Im dumb new and now realize this is basically what lamp and co was saying)

I am learning guitar and want to move on to a brass next... but I have already been recording little runs on m y phone emailling them to myself and downloading them on my computer... admittedly mostly to remember the melody :mrgreen:
By MPC-G Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:09 pm
m56p87 wrote:
Lampdog wrote:sample one shots and program his own notes.


+1 all day



Was meaning to ask u lamp... what dah hell dis even mean?? :shock: lol

break it down for us shortbus folks
By MPC-G Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:11 pm
bicedidit wrote:i love to sample.

imo, there are elements of the original song that are captured in a sample and are very subtle, but that subtleness makes a world of difference.

playing music live is fun but im not very good at it. i mean, i took basic music theory classes and played the drums for a couple years in school so i understand the basic fundamentals, but i always tend to limit myself and get stuck... quickly.

best advise i could give is if u want to play the keys and not sample, take lessons and take it serious. good luck


definitely I am slowly pickin up the guitar now ...hoping the bass shouldn't be so hard... next I want to do wind/brass...

I'm pretty sure any experienced music producer can play any instrument if they mess with it for 6 mo to a year
By MPC-G Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:14 pm
@smokey yeah I felt if I could make beats the sucky way for a year and find my voice sampling would be another ingredient in the dish rather than the whole encheladda (sp i kno n idc lol)

grassroots wrote:In terms of over coming - 'feeling like your playing the same groove over and over' I once went to an MPC forum and the guy giving the forum (MU- from Fat Freddies Drop) said that often he would load a sample and play along with it. This helps get the feel of the pattern and the groove - then he would drop the the sample out - this is worth experimenting with! Peace



I like this idea A LOT as well

:nod:
By keepitcherry Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:38 pm
MPC-G wrote:
m56p87 wrote:
Lampdog wrote:sample one shots and program his own notes.


+1 all day



Was meaning to ask u lamp... what dah hell dis even mean?? :shock: lol

break it down for us shortbus folks


he means sampling single notes (one shots) and making programs out of them. so say you found a one shot sample of a single bass guitar lick. you would then make a program in your mpc using that bass guitar note - spread it across your pads at different pitches. so now instead of just the one bass note you have multiple.
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By Lampdog Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:39 pm
MPC-G wrote:Was meaning to ask u lamp... what dah hell dis even mean?? :shock: lol

break it down for us shortbus folks

The quote seems to be lacking the full post, lol.


Lampdog wrote:That too, plus on the flip hybrid side, Nym stated a while back he will sample one shots and program his own notes, his own breaks/drum patterns and riffs, I do that also.


Meaning don't sample a continuous horn riff (1 big sample), chop all the pieces up into several one shot sounds, then sequence those pieces. Also you can make a full chromatic program from the one shots if you want. You will have full control when using one shots, complexity of each note played is all on you.
By smellypants Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:16 pm
Sm0keydaBear wrote:Most often I'm always trying to mess around with synthesis and the bi-products of it. The whole thing is, if you have an image in your head and you're trying to put it on a canvas, you're not going to be able to get the whole spectrum included unless you do all the programming and know what's going on in your own tracks. Otherwise, you will have a great deal of trouble trying to figure out why something sounds like what. The reason I shy away from sampling myself is because too many people do not see it as the artform that it really is. Sampling in it's own right is art, but most will just tell you that you're stealing.


No offence, but that seems like a very silly reason to shy away from sampling. Do you always base your decisions in life, on what other people think? That's no way to live, yet almost everyone lives this way :hmmm:
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By TYPO Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:33 pm
Ill-Green wrote:When I got serious in production I started with no samples. I would plug my synth into my cd recorder and record myself playing random tunes or songs I learned from piano 101 in high school and freak them. I have like 40 cds of those sessions of free play of different sounds and melodies, and then sample and chop. Now I'm working at my guitar game and will make more cds of those sessions too and will make beats with them.

I love sampling vinyl though and it portrays Ill Green's character well which is why I go that route.


This well stated and the essence of a sampler.
By MPC-G Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:26 am
Lampdog wrote:
MPC-G wrote:Was meaning to ask u lamp... what dah hell dis even mean?? :shock: lol

break it down for us shortbus folks

The quote seems to be lacking the full post, lol.


Lampdog wrote:That too, plus on the flip hybrid side, Nym stated a while back he will sample one shots and program his own notes, his own breaks/drum patterns and riffs, I do that also.


Meaning don't sample a continuous horn riff (1 big sample), chop all the pieces up into several one shot sounds, then sequence those pieces. Also you can make a full chromatic program from the one shots if you want. You will have full control when using one shots, complexity of each note played is all on you.



okay I get it ... basically make a drum kit out of a loop or a long sample
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By MoreBuck$ Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:34 am
I just do what ever i feel the track needs that i'm messing with.
If the shoe fits, wear it, as they say...

If a sample will fit with my track i use it, whether that's a loop, a small chop or note, or a vocal or spoken word sample.

I also sample from vinyl, VHS, CDs, DVDs, Live TV, Field recordings... like i said, whatever i feel i need.

I also use VSTs occasionally.

Why restrict yourself :?:
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By Lampdog Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:28 pm
MPC-G wrote:okay I get it ... basically make a drum kit out of a loop or a long sample


Yep, u can do that too.

But again you know, do whatever you feel.