something like Clip launching

Is there any way to do something similar to abletons Clip Launching?
I would like to be able to start something playing at the start of the next bar, but have these things loop with different lengths.

I've tried using Patterns but haven't really gotten it together. In the Pattern Status screen it's possible to set the patterns up to loop, and have different lengths looping, but they trigger immediately on hitting the pad, not quantizied to anything.

On the other hand, I try have Patterns launced by pads in the main view, with a trigger at the start 0of the bar, but now I can't have different loop lengths.

Any way to combine the two approaches?

yeah this is way cool hey, but am still not making the most of it either.
You can not use pad to pattern in grid edit mode which is kinda a shame really.
In the main screen grid edit you can record a pattern at any point, even when stopped. In fact when stopped is the best. So I will jam out some patterns and then note the way they are layered and redo it in a sequence by hitting stop record and hitting patterns at the time desired.
So this way you can jam layering patterns any way you want, and then if you want to keep one you can make it a sequence. Its more complicated, when you use multiple synths and multiple programs, but that just means you go to another track and use that for pattern layers.
This can do different bar lengths and also half bars as well, just you gotta make your track for the pattern first. So delete half a bar and paste it in for half bar loops ect.
When in the main screen in stop record mode in main screen it will step out the pattern for you to make next step if you want. Then you can play 3 bars over 4 bars for as long as you want but you have to figure out how long you want it.
So I use loop to jam, then turn it off to record sequences in step mode, as I usually am only doing 16 or 32 bars usually. That way I have fun and get to keep the ones I like, after a couple minutes by laying in the clips in stop record mode. Some times i get good ones from live jams, and have foot switch punch in and punch out so I can jam hitting pads and just move foot and i do not have to stop jamming to catch that idea. IMHO its what makes this so good as it keeps it very fluid and in seconds can jam out respectable sequences in different ways with out having to stop at all. This is also one of the driving forces behind me wanting the pad select by footswitch to CYCLE A>B>C>D>A>B>C>D>A>B>C>D>A>B>C>D each hit.
So that would mean I would have clips or patterns in this case, and can go between a bank of samples and a bank of midi messages and a bank of patterns in realtime and record with out stopping at all. MAD as IMO. would be seemingly small request but IMO it would be very beneficial to many users, if not all. As it stands it just goes to a bank then does not work. Not a good outcome and makes footswitch redundant after ONE use. If it cycled, that would allow 64 clips and you do not have to stop hitting pads to record or change banks. . Cue evil laughter, . THat is why I want it so I can do above live and go mental. I can do it with sets as well, but I still think in 5 minute jam 16 patterns samples ect is not quite enough. So that is why i talk about footswitch, as it ties in with how i use patterns to jam and play. Live is kinda sucky how it does not take TC into account, as it does not seem to and it probably should to. specially as TC can be turned off so you have that option to go back to original spec as is now concerning the triggering of patterns on pads.

Even with complicated jams of multiple patterns I can get it pretty tight, but I have good timing. If its tricky then jam it out and remake it in stop record mode in another sequence and then jam over that.
SO yeah its good, better with footswitch to cycle bank select to open it up more, and TC recognition.
See I figure do all above, then make those resulting jams into more patterns. Kinda reminds me of old break beat producers and how they did the turn arounds like djing. killer. So get behind me and bump for TC of patterns and cycle the pad select by footswitch so we can all go mental jamming out patterns and record them.

You are getting excited, calm down. Care to show this workflow in a video? cos it's too hard to follow your description above. Sounds like you are doing something interesting but I am not sure what.
Your stuff about footswitches should be in a different thread

making happy hardcore breaks for 6 hours does that to me.
YEah its related, the footswitch will make sense when i post a vid. Only cos I am using different banks for different things. ITs to make it idiot proof ie for me to use and so it has to be real simple as it can be, so i can use it, and remember
Do you use a synth at all? I will do video tomorrow with beats, bass lines and lfo and filter control, as they are pretty stock standard. Might as well use the microkorg as its stock standard as well. Oh and pitch bend wheel cos you cant do mod breaks with out imnsho. Oh and the really good thing I have not mentioned is that this does not depend on tempo so you can switch tempos easy and no problems.

Yes, I use a Virus B and a korg EMX. Curious to see what you're doing... flexible tempo is pretty important for me. I play drums along with my tracks, and so being able to adjust the tempo up and down is great for practice. This means I keep a lot of sounds as MIDI notes and CC. I haven't quite got my head around patterns and found a way to make them work for me.

from reading your post Innovine you would greatly benefit I think. As yeah like i said its ok to change tempo as you do the above with patterns. Vid coming soon.

I have the same problem, well not really the same but i want to get more info about using the MPC 2500 as a clip launcher.
I do my live performances now with Ableton Live, i like how's easy to organizate all my loops with the clips.
In these days i was taking in cosideration to switch to an MPC 2500 for the live performance but i don't know if what i wanna do is possible.
My idea is to load in one pad a loop of 4 bars (for example) of kick, in another 4 bars of snare, hihat in another pad and so on.
I want to use 8 pads for every song and work with the mute function of every track.
Will i have some problems with the ram memory? I mean, with Ableton you scroll down the clips and you have all your loops ready to be played but with the MPC is not so easy.
Can i use the MPC 2500 (with the Akai OS or the JJ OS, it doesn't matter) for an entire live set? Sorry for my bad explaination
Thanks

Avalon, you have asked too many questions really, to answer it properly or exactly.
Just get a controller IMO, as you have limits on a MPC such as memory.
That said, if you read the thread, you will see we are talking about is some thing similar to clips, but you can do what you ask with any sampler and a bit of thought and work, since all you are talking about is layering a few loops at will.
The function of patterns is a JJOSXL only thing and not in the Akai OS, just so you know.
So really I would use some hardware controller in your case as it would be cheaper and less work, more flexible and just like banging a MPC. See Ren or spark, mashine ect.
Doing sets with a MPC can be done, yes, but it is complicated to explain everything, and often than not, you will be pushing the RAM limit. There is only room for about 11 minutes, 26 seconds stereo, so you can see, you have to know what ya doing to fit in the most for a set. Any new laptop can do a hundred times that sample memory wise, so it is a big step back. That being said, it does have its own benefits as well as pitfalls, like anything. So it depends on your workflow ect to, and whether the MPC fits in with that. I mean it will, no doubt if you know what your doing, but, you might end up preferring to use above controllers because of limits. Or you might prefer the live hands on mpc feel and do not mind doing the work needed to fit in and make your set, get your sound, ect. make sense??

Thankyou so much bliprock, your explaination is clear.
The only fact for what i wanted to switch to the MPC is that computer made me bored, everyone has the same setup, the same mac on the table ect. Just wanted to use something different, but your words make me think a lil bit that maybe i will complicate everything and spend a lot of money for the 2500 and this may have no sense. In fact i dont even have so many effects in the MPC, compared to Ableton Live.

Hi Avalon

with a 1000/2500 though you actually can have the best of both worlds. Ive been having some really fun jams using the MPCs sequencer to trigger events / clips in Ableton. think of it as an exteded MPD controller where you can record your performances and loop them / recall them via track mutes - all it takes is a well designed ableton set to function in tandem with the MPC.

Thankyou golfdogz,
with the sentence "all it takes is a well designed ableton set to function in tandem with the MPC." you mean that the best way is to work with both?
peace

god dam it - i just spent ages writing an awesome description of how i use ableton with my MPC and when i went to send id been logged out and i lost everything id written.

PM me and ill send you the ableton file i use if your interested.

edit:

heres a link - theres a pdf in there that shows how it all works. by default its mapped to QWERTY keyboard but can be remapped to MPC pads - youll need to replace the audio clips with some of your own - i couldnt fit them in the upload

think of it as 2 virtual dj mixers - but instead of bouncing between 2 turntables they each mix between 9 or 10 (i actually only use 8 to fit nicely on MPC pads) - it allows for awesome jamming

https://www.box.com/s/4qlnc1ljqy3zijwj7muw

but in short yeah - if you buy an APC or something you can plug it in straight away and use it in the very traditional ableton workflow. but if your gonna use an MPC you have to get your ableton set all pre mapped with Midi channels as well as make programs on the MPC with corresponding midi channels..but boviously ableton is so flexible you can really make awesomely routed sets suited to whatever hardware you have.

Thankyou man!
Now i download the file and i check it, for sure if i will have some problem i will write to you in PM
peace

Eh, I put in a request for different track loop lengths but I don't think anyone paid any attention. That combined with the track mute view is basically exactly what you want (Clip launcher-style playback).

Superpowerface wrote:Eh, I put in a request for different track loop lengths but I don't think anyone paid any attention. That combined with the track mute view is basically exactly what you want (Clip launcher-style playback).

That might do it. How would you decide when it's time to switch to the next sequence... at the end of the current bar (and just cut off all looping tracks)?