Bug reports & end-user support for Akai's MPC Software 'controllers' including the new MPC Studio 2, the MPC Touch, MPC Renaissance & original MPC Studio and MPC StudioB lack.
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By DJ Hellfire Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:29 pm
Airyck wrote:Phew, luckily I don't care about any of this :smoker:

Any difference in audio quality or "tone" added from an audio interface in a modern instrument like this is negligible IMHO.

There is so much more that is going to come out of my sound design and mix engineering that I could care less if something adds a tiny bit of tone or a boost or dip at some frequency, I'm just going to mix around it anyway.

This seems like a huge waste of time to care so much about this but to each their own I guess. Have fun trying to figure this out you guys :wink:
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By konc3pt Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:37 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:It can still be found :)

Akai NAMM Press Release wrote:MPC Renaissance changes the output characteristics of the sound to match that of the intended machine so users seeking that sound can easily get it. In addition, the analog output circuitry in MPC Renaissance is identical to the highly regarded MPC3000.


http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=14683



ah I skipped this S.O.S :oops: but few other sites I checked dont even mention it

this is what BHphoto advertises

Hardware
•Fuses legendary MPC production with the processing power of your computer
•Vintage Mode changes output sound character to MPC3000, MPC60, and more

MPC Software
•64-track sequencing capability
•Massive 6GB+ sound library, including all of the sounds of the classic MPC3000



DJ Hellfire wrote:
Airyck wrote:Phew, luckily I don't care about any of this :smoker:

Any difference in audio quality or "tone" added from an audio interface in a modern instrument like this is negligible IMHO.

There is so much more that is going to come out of my sound design and mix engineering that I could care less if something adds a tiny bit of tone or a boost or dip at some frequency, I'm just going to mix around it anyway.

This seems like a huge waste of time to care so much about this but to each their own I guess. Have fun trying to figure this out you guys :wink:


I agree with this, but I dont think this is about the sound but more about false advertising more than anything else.. prior to release wasnt ren promoted with all these bells and whistles that didnt make the release ?.:hmmm:
By labcoats Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:22 am
JAH wrote:
labcoats wrote:The whole soundcard deal was intended to be some kind of pacifier to suggest its a hardware MPC - of sorts - a bit insulting imho to treat us like idiots.

:lol:

Really? /quote]


yeah Jah, really.
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By JAH Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:31 am
labcoats wrote:
JAH wrote:
labcoats wrote:The whole soundcard deal was intended to be some kind of pacifier to suggest its a hardware MPC - of sorts - a bit insulting imho to treat us like idiots.

:lol:

Really? /quote]


yeah Jah, really.

I think that is the silliest conclusion anyone can make. Sounds ridiculous.
By mQueue Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:43 am
labcoats wrote:I'm under no illusions as to what it actually is. A controller - with an unnecessary soundcard bolted on


I'd say it's an unnecessarily expensive sound card. People can use it for sampling and the latency gets down to 64 samples on a pc I haven't been able to get under 512 reliably. But the $700 difference between the renaissance and studio is simply a transfer payment for the early adopters to fund development.
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By JAH Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:42 am
Latency issues sounds more like the user or user's computer.

I use an off the shelf PC and a Mac Mini. I can use a buffer setting of 64 on both. But I normally operate the Ren at 512. Just about any new computer you buy today is powerful enough to operate the Ren.

I'll teach you how if you are having issues.
By mQueue Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:09 pm
JAH wrote:Latency issues sounds more like the user or user's computer.

I use an off the shelf PC and a Mac Mini. I can use a buffer setting of 64 on both. But I normally operate the Ren at 512. Just about any new computer you buy today is powerful enough to operate the Ren.

I'll teach you how if you are having issues.


You misunderstood, the ren outperforms other interfaces on my pc ( its 5 yrs old :)
By jpeg Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:24 pm
labcoats wrote:

yeah Jah, really.
labcoats wrote:
JAH wrote:
labcoats wrote:The whole soundcard deal was intended to be some kind of pacifier to suggest its a hardware MPC - of sorts - a bit insulting imho to treat us like idiots.

:lol:

Really? /quote]

this is like saying the audio interface on the 2500 are a pacifier cos u should be using the smart media card to load up samples

the soundcard on the ren is the same type of components that ud find on any mpc surely u can see that the onbly difference is the cpu is software based but everything else operates business as usual.
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By Coz Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:38 pm
jpeg wrote:the soundcard on the ren is the same type of components that ud find on any mpc surely u can see that the onbly difference is the cpu is software based but everything else operates business as usual.




The fella who recently carried out a complete teardown of the Ren claims it's not even in the same ballpark as the 4K's interface when it comes to component quality.

The bigger issue at this point is why a 24/96 interface is defaulting samples to 16bit. :hmmm:
By mQueue Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:50 pm
Coz wrote:
jpeg wrote:the soundcard on the ren is the same type of components that ud find on any mpc surely u can see that the onbly difference is the cpu is software based but everything else operates business as usual.




The fella who recently carried out a complete teardown of the Ren claims it's not even in the same ballpark as the 4K's interface when it comes to component quality.

The bigger issue at this point is why a 24/96 interface is defaulting samples to 16bit. :hmmm:


I'm that fella.....thats correct. I can post em side by side if anyone needs more evidence. The 16 bit thing is likely a bug or bad configuration design. They'll fix that one soon.
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By Coz Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:09 pm
mQueue wrote:I'm that fella.....thats correct. I can post em side by side if anyone needs more evidence.




Sorry mate, I couldn't remember who it was. :oops:

If you've already got some pics feel free to post them. 8)
By fobedafied Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:18 pm
Airyck wrote:This seems like a huge waste of time



true.

nukai wasted everyone's time and probably even some people's money with these fraudulent marketing schemes that shows just how intelligent they think their customer base is.... :?


good thing the truth can be discussed in a place such as this... :-D
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By JAH Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:27 am
Coz wrote:
jpeg wrote:the soundcard on the ren is the same type of components that ud find on any mpc surely u can see that the onbly difference is the cpu is software based but everything else operates business as usual.


The fella who recently carried out a complete teardown of the Ren claims it's not even in the same ballpark as the 4K's interface when it comes to component quality.


So now you want to compare an MPC 4000 to the Ren that cost 3x as much? That makes a lot of sense.
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By Coz Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:00 am
JAH wrote:So now you want to compare an MPC 4000 to the Ren that cost 3x as much? That makes a lot of sense.




As of today they are a similar price in the UK.

My response was to jpeg's claim that all MPC interfaces are made equal, when they obviously aren't.