Post your views and questions about the Akai MPC2500
By Docstoj Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:10 am
Hi.

I've recently purchased my first MPC. It's a MPC 2500 Special Ed. (Soooo much to learn :hmmm: )

The reason for my purchase is this:

I've been playing live acoustic drums for many years.

But 5-6 years ago I got tired of spending so much time practicing in dark moist underground rehearsal rooms. So I quit almost overnight, sold most of my drum kits, and build a small home studio instead and have been producing music on my computer ever since.

But I've been missing playing music live and have been looking for a way to get away from producing on the computer. So I bought the MPC as a new way of drumming live and trickering samples as well. And I love banging away on the pads and producing beats this way instead of using the mouse all the time.

But here's the thing: as a drummer I've been used to playing a lot of ghost notes on the snare to get things grooving or for combin' in jazz. Now (for those of you who aren't into acoustic drums) this is usually done by playing very very soft on the snare. And I hope to be able to do the same thing on the MPC but I just can't get it to respond to very light touches.

I've been fiddling around with the sensitivity settings etc. quite a bit. But I can't get it to respond to light ghost notes. And if I make use of the most sensitive setting it trickers other pads as well (I've noticed this is some times referred to as ghost notes on this forum... but it is not the kind of ghost notes I'm talking about here).

Is there a way to get the MPC pads to respond to the lightest touch (almost as light as the touch you can use for a touch screen on a smart phone) - without it also trickering other pads? Is it at all possible to play ghost notes on the MPC? Or should I rethink my approach?

Cheers from Denmark
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By Metatron72 Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:53 pm
It is very possible but you might need to invest in JJOSXL to get more advanced sensitivity settings than the standard Akai OS. JJOSXL also adds like 50+ other improvements. It is $123 but worth every cent.

Now I wouldn't quite go as far as calling it touch screen type sensitivity but ghost notes are very achievable on JJOSXL. On that OS you get 25 increments to utilize on the velocity sensitivity and pressure sensitivity. I forget the number but Akai OS has less increments you can set at, maybe 16 values I think. Without question I've enjoyed greater sensitivity with the 3rd party OS.

There are also Fat Pads for $45 at MPCStuff.com. They come with cork, and currently felt I think, circular adhesive pieces to apply on the underside of the pad sheet. What this dies is make the pads underside have extremely close contact with the sensor sheet. Invariably it's easier to trigger light taps, ghost/grace notes. Corner triggering improves as well, and it is already decent even on the stock Akai OS.

The Fat Pads are double the height in rubber as well, so between that and the corks underneath you can hit the pads very lightly and still have easily controllable dynamics. (You have to adapt even and hit much softer as your fingers feel the extra rubber. But you quickly get used to it and realize you don't need to overcompensate to go from like a 25 velocity value to full 127 velocity.)

http://www.mpcstuff.com/akmpcmpdthfa2.html

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/mpc2500/

I can not stress enough how good an investment JJOSXL is. Look at the comparison chart in the hotlink at the top of the JJ page, it shows exactly what you gain over the stock OS and the list is long. You actually get a huge amount of MPC 4000 features added.

You knew the answer might involve money of course? :-D
By Docstoj Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:39 pm
Hi Metatron.

Thanks for your reply. Since I bought it second hand it already had the JJOSXL installed. So it is already the 25 increments I've been toying with. I should of course have written that, but I didn't know it had more increments than the standard OS, so I thought it didn't matter.

The Fat Pads might be what I'm looking for then. From what I'd read about pads, I just thought it was mostly an improvement for the MPC 1000.
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By Metatron72 Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:58 pm
No problem sir, just glad you already have JJOSXL. :-D

If those settings aren't cutting it the Fat Pads are probably worth a serious look. The two sets I have are in a MPD32 and a 1000 and as you alluded to on the 1000 it was absolutely necessary. Both units needed to be in Full Level constantly, which defeats the entire reason I would use an MPC or even program/record drums at all.

I forgot to test them in my 2500 before the MPD32 install, but feedback here from other 2500 users was almost universally positive.

Also I should mention Nym, a resident genius here has shared his method of applying silicone to the underside of the pads to close the gap. It's a $5 fix if you don't mind getting into DIY stuff. I can't recall the brand or particular type recommended though. It's here in an old thread though.

Also I think MPCStuff sells the corks separately, so you have a couple cheaper options to maybe mod the pad sheet you have now for less money. Although personally I didn't feel the Fat Pads were a bad deal given the benefit received, even at a rather high price.
By Docstoj Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:33 pm
Hi again and thanks.

I just need to get my head around this. If I got the fat pads (which looks awesome btw), they come with the corks build in as far as I can understand(?). Would I still then (with corks and fat pads) need to use the silikone to close the mentioned gap?

I'm getting a bit into the DIY stuff anyway, since I own the AKAI MPK mini and the sensitivity of those pads REALLY sucks. So I might as well get the most out of both of them at the same time :)
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By Metatron72 Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:47 pm
Docstoj wrote:Hi again and thanks.

I just need to get my head around this. If I got the fat pads (which looks awesome btw), they come with the corks build in as far as I can understand(?). Would I still then (with corks and fat pads) need to use the silikone to close the mentioned gap?

I'm getting a bit into the DIY stuff anyway, since I own the AKAI MPK mini and the sensitivity of those pads REALLY sucks. So I might as well get the most out of both of them at the same time :)


The MPK mini uses a different pad design than classic MPC's. They appear similar to the new Ren pads so maybe MPCStuff's fat pads for the Ren could possibly fit the MPK mini if you halved a pad sheet into 8. But I don't know if the designs are interchangeable for certain.

To clarify the 1000 Fat joints have the extra cork height molded right into the sheet, no corks needed. All the others will include a package of 16 corks, maybe felt now as I mentioned (The actual cork got kind of dry in some less humid studios and cork bits flake off onto the sensor sheet/PCB board. Mine have held up well though even in an attic)

The silicone would be in lieu of the corks here, as many were fine with normal height pads provided the gap was closed by either the silicone method or pre fabbed corks. We also used to stack adhesive price stickers and stacks of tape to do this, but that's the weakest, least consistent option in it's improvement.

I post novels :oops: , but I want to give as much info as possible and a lot of people read these threads years later off Google searches (I lurked here for 4 years with no account just referencing stuff), so I err on the side of too many words. :oops: :-D
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By Harmoncj Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:55 pm
have you tried using velocity ---> start point, along with note repeat? I find this is a pretty good way to get an expressive range out of a snare sample, and it enables somewhat realistic snare riffs. The swing parameter is nice with this too.
By Docstoj Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:48 pm
Hi Metatron.

No worries mate - I can't keep my mouth shut once I get babbling myself. And I very much appriciate the information :-D

I've checket out the fat pads on mpcstuff and it looks like they still come with corks... But I definitely think that I'm gonna get a set of fat pads. Now I just have to decide on the color. Something crazy I think :nod:

About the mini I think I'm gonna do the electrical tape mod I've seen on youtube. Cheap solution that looks like it gets the job done.

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@Harmoncj. Thanks for the input. I haven't tried that yet. Does it mean, that the MPC will play two notes instead of one if I hit the pads with some predetermined velocity? (Since I'm new to the MPC I'm still learning the tricks). If so I think I would prefer the single note approach for snare ghosts (just too many years of drumming in me I guess). But I might find that technique useful for something like fast steady 16ths on the hihat though. 'Cause that can be a pain in the *** I reckon when you don't get the natural rebound from the stick on the drums :roll:
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By Menco Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:45 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:
Menco wrote:Those ghost notes/ ghost triggering you are referring to is a malfunction.

No, they are not.

Did you bother reading the thread?


Docstoj wrote:Hi.
I've been fiddling around with the sensitivity settings etc. quite a bit. But I can't get it to respond to light ghost notes. And if I make use of the most sensitive setting it trickers other pads as well (I've noticed this is some times referred to as ghost notes on this forum... but it is not the kind of ghost notes I'm talking about here).

Is there a way to get the MPC pads to respond to the lightest touch (almost as light as the touch you can use for a touch screen on a smart phone) - without it also trickering other pads? Is it at all possible to play ghost notes on the MPC? Or should I rethink my approach?



SimonInAustralia wrote:Did you bother reading the thread?
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By Metatron72 Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:55 pm
"but it is not the kind of ghost notes I'm talking about here"

The OP is saying for sure he means the standard live drummer technique not the phantom 5-25 velocity double triggers we all hate.


"Cause that can be a pain in the *** I reckon when you don't get the natural rebound from the stick on the drums "

You could maybe fake it with some sample layering and having the hits overlap on velocity. Like have an extra sample that only will trigger with another layer if you hit over 100 velocity say.

What harmoncj described would probably be good for some Bernard Purdie type 16ths action, and you can assign the slider to rock variations as you play.
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By SimonInAustralia Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:20 pm
Menco wrote:
Docstoj wrote:And if I make use of the most sensitive setting it trickers other pads as well (I've noticed this is some times referred to as ghost notes on this forum... but it is not the kind of ghost notes I'm talking about here).

...

Is it at all possible to play ghost notes on the MPC?


Did you bother to read what you are quoting?

You are quoting something, and obviously have not read it, or do not understand it.



He wants to play very low velocity ghost notes.

He is not having a problem with it mis-triggering and inserting ghost notes that he does not want.
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By SimonInAustralia Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:56 pm
Menco wrote:I know what ghost notes are.

He is also saying that playing one pad triggers other pads.

Yes, but only when he is messing with the sensitivity settings, to try and make it respond to low velocity ghost notes...

Docstoj wrote:if I make use of the most sensitive setting


...it is not one pad triggering another pad on the normal settings, only on the "most sensitive setting".