Bug reports & end-user support for Akai's MPC Software 'controllers' including the new MPC Studio 2, the MPC Touch, MPC Renaissance & original MPC Studio and MPC StudioB lack.
By flares34 Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:44 pm
is this a bug?
sorry folks but.....
in drumbanks mode:
only stupid sends and adsr for pad and sends for tracks

not revers size and
gate reverb decays
delay time-feddbacks creshendis etc......


i cant believe it.
im not a musican for classik anf folk-mainstream beats
please fix this in the next update
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By emptysea Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:57 pm
flares34 wrote:is this a bug?
sorry folks but.....
in drumbanks mode:
only stupid sends and adsr for pad and sends for tracks

not revers size and
gate reverb decays
delay time-feddbacks creshendis etc......


i cant believe it.
im not a musican for classik anf folk-mainstream beats
please fix this in the next update

Yeah. It's kinda surprising (well, maybe not too surprising considering Akai's track record) to have such a glaring omission when they should have had plenty of time to learn from existing solutions if they were paying attention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJh4FMNhNE

daslicht wrote:I feel the same :(

Have you even noticed that you cant have an insert in a submix ?
Or that you cant have an insert on a pad AND on the track
since when you add a effect to a pad it will be routed to the submix.

Yeah, that's been well-documented here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163430
It really is a terrible design. There is definitely something wrong when a very basic thing like turning down a volume on a track after things like adding compression is so unintuitive and requires a convoluted workaround. There should be no "track mixer" or inserts which just causes more confusion, forcing you to worry about track routing, how duplicating tracks duplicates plug instances etc.. They need to build a proper pad mixer with inserts and meters between the samples and the program inserts. The way it's designed on Maschine is the way they should have done it.
By Danny Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:51 pm
you can, but best used as a combined setup with a DAW the ren to me is just an instrument in my setup, if you moaning you didn't do your research before you bought
it. there are pages and pages on here of info obviously all ignored and yes even mr emptysea has posted numerous times stating the pitfalls of buying ren.
get your receipt out or be prepare to wait at least a year thats how it is. :WTF:
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By JAH Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:12 am
Native Instruments wrote:Q: How many samples can MASCHINE load at once?
A: A MASCHINE Project has up to 128 sounds, split across 8 Groups, and each Group can contain up to 16 Sounds. There is no limit to the number of samples per instance, because each MASCHINE Sound has its own sample map, including key and velocity mapping. In traditional terms, this translates to 128 tracks per instance.


emptysea wrote:
flares34 wrote:is this a bug?
sorry folks but.....
in drumbanks mode:
only stupid sends and adsr for pad and sends for tracks

not revers size and
gate reverb decays
delay time-feddbacks creshendis etc......


i cant believe it.
im not a musican for classik anf folk-mainstream beats
please fix this in the next update

Yeah. It's kinda surprising (well, maybe not too surprising considering Akai's track record) to have such a glaring omission when they should have had plenty of time to learn from existing solutions if they were paying attention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJh4FMNhNE

daslicht wrote:I feel the same :(

Have you even noticed that you cant have an insert in a submix ?
Or that you cant have an insert on a pad AND on the track
since when you add a effect to a pad it will be routed to the submix.

Yeah, that's been well-documented here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163430
It really is a terrible design. There is definitely something wrong when a very basic thing like turning down a volume on a track after things like adding compression is so unintuitive and requires a convoluted workaround. There should be no "track mixer" or inserts which just causes more confusion, forcing you to worry about track routing, how duplicating tracks duplicates plug instances etc.. They need to build a proper pad mixer with inserts and meters between the samples and the program inserts. The way it's designed on Maschine is the way they should have done it.


Every traditional DAW has a track mixer. The Ren's track mixer is pretty straight forward and what I would expect from an MPC. The Ren's 'Pad Mixer' aka 'Program Mixer' is pretty much the same as every hardware MPC with the exception that it allows Insert FXs which is an MPC first (hardware MPCs only have send effects).

For the record (as written above), Maschine's 'Pads/Sounds' are the 'equivalent' to tracks as seen in traditional DAWs without the benefit of have a multichannel mixer. This is a glaring NI ommission IMO and I wouldn't want to see the Ren/Studio with this same limitation. But no worries as I don't believe Akai will ever cripple the Ren/Studio in this regard and expect them to only make it better (such as adding headroom, audio tracks, etc). With that being said, the MPC Ren/Studio track mixer can have up to 4 Inserts per channel as compared to 3 in Maschine. Track Insert FXs do not auto route to Submixes. Each Ren/Stduio track also includes 4 effect sends.

Additionally, the Ren doesn't duplicate plugin instances as of 1.3. This is the #1 feature of 1.3.

I personally like the direction Akai is taking the Ren. There isn't any feature specific to Maschine that I would want added to the Ren/Studio.
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By 83dude Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:31 am
JAH wrote:There isn't any feature specific to Maschine that I would want added to the Ren/Studio.


I know ONE feature: So far, Maschine allows MIDI to audio conversion via drag & drop, meaning you can just click and hold on the pad / lane and drag it into your DAW. This automatically bounces the MIDI file to an audio file. This would be a pretty cool feature, although I rarely use the Ren in plug-in mode, so rather useless to me. :-D
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By JAH Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:42 am
I see that you want that feature. But it's not something I care for personally as indicated in my previous post.
By flares34 Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:02 am
hy .
maschine aka mpc - i dont like this discussion

I just want to make music with the same opportunities as all I hear ..
only intuitive.
machine can automate everything.
but she plays a ungroovy micro timing.
the renaissance still have to improve a lot. which is very much half finished
the same in maschine.
at today i using maschine in renaissance :-D
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By JAH Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:53 am
flares34 wrote:hy .
maschine aka mpc - i dont like this discussion

I just want to make music with the same opportunities as all I hear ..
only intuitive.
machine can automate everything.
but she plays a ungroovy micro timing.
the renaissance still have to improve a lot. which is very much half finished
the same in maschine.
at today i using maschine in renaissance :-D


Can you post a demonstration of using FXs automation to create 'proffesional dancemusic'? A simple You Tube video would be enough...posting it in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163347
By Jonespnice1 Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:12 pm
The thing about MPC users is that we always find ways to use the MPC past its limitations, so can you make the dance music that you're accustomed with fx automation yes. I know it's frustrating that you can't automate the sub groups or effects on the main output but there's always a workaround until they add these features. One solution to your problem would be to sample your whole song or atleast stems and then place them onto tracks and automate that way. Like JaH said if you could post a YouTube video showing exactly what you're trying to to then it may be easier for us to suggest ways for you to accomplish your goal.
By Jonespnice1 Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:18 pm
moyphee wrote:
JAH wrote:Can you post a demonstration of using FXs automation to create 'proffesional dancemusic'?


He's a fool if appeases this request. Everyone her knows exactly what he means.


What's wrong with posting a video? It will make things clearer and will also show his workflow that may help other folks that might be having problems.
By flares34 Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:42 pm
I'm sorry if I'm too lazy.
but 95% of all house-drum dance charts nbass - ukgarage - crime Nuskool electro remixes, etc., contain fx creshendos

for example:
dry wet 0-100 '%
feedback delays
reverb size,decays ....
lfo rates
glitch stutters
I do not want to be a troll
I do not hear a lot of music for the time, because I work more.

at the moment, I'm going to use vst sampler and synthesizer with fx.
mpc renaissance can support multiout vst plugin like machine.
machine have subgroup and track fx
So it comes with midi cc - or much better with macros ..
my english is not the best.
excuse me.,
but I understand it here