Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.

By cynic Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:50 pm
My humblest apologies, cynic. Boy, the way you're lashing back, one would think that you and the Fruity Loops people are buddy and friend. You're talking like you're the software production police or something. Don't take it personal, Officer cynic. All I offered was my opinion, not a judgment.


not lashing out, and no i'm not connected....sorry bad day at the office ;)

the way i read it it looked to me like you were saying computers were finicky and easily prone to break down, causing you to lose all your work.

The one thing that worries me about computer based operations such as FL, the BSOD. Once you get the BSOD, you usually have to reformat and reinstall all your applications and transfer all your backed up material (assuming you did do a backup of your tracks, samples, etc.).

Now I'm not saying that hardware is perfect, it can fail too, I fix failed hardware every day. But their failure probability is small compared to Windows' failures.

I doubt the FPC would truly rival an MPC, but it is another option to use for production.


that whole BlueScreenOfDeath comment is just way off base and has very little basis in technical reality. i've gotten many blue screens - mostly due to bad driver errors. not one has ever forced me to reformat a hard drive or anything that severe. if someone recommended you do that with a blue screen you're getting bad technical advice.

additionally, if you're anywhere near serious about your DAW you should have separate HD's for programs, samples, recording, and backup. this separates everything in the case of failure you don't lose everything. in my setup i have drives for each, then i backup each drive to a RAID-5 array so i don't lose ANYTHING!

personally, i use the mpc in conjunction with FL and many other programs, and i find it to work well together. not trying to promote one over the other, just saying that a lot of these anti-computer anti-software arguments have little to no basis in reality.

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By JStruMENTAL Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:14 pm
DjChronoBeats wrote:there goes the beat making market.
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By cyrus Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:07 am
I wanna see someone post 2 things.

a fruity beat, and an mpc beat, and well see if you can tell the differance...and im talking both beats from the same person.

I will do it if someone else does.

But i garuenteee, unless you use some recognizeable preset, you are not gonna tell if you apply your skills equally to both; and even if the preset is recognizeable, if its hot because you make it bang, it doesnt matter.
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By actuel Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:52 am
i'm not that impressed. that's not to say it wouldn't be 'dope', but mpc-like programs have been looming about for some time. i have battery and rarely use it...why, i have an mpc. plus, it take just seconds to sync the mpc with a computer if your going for the 'best of both worlds' approach. being a mac user, i find Live4 combo'd with idrum, phatmatik to cover my 'beat' needs, that is if i'm solely working in the computer realm. idrum, is the closest program i've ever used in achieving an mpc-like sound on a computer. it definitely has the swing. plus, bit reduction...blah, blah, blah...

anyways, whatever gets it done. make beats, not theories on what will make you make beats.

peace
actuel

By Roundy Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:15 am
I must add I am sick to death of hearing this old ****, who the hell cares if this is better than that. You could go on for ever! When I first got my mpc 2xl 4 months ago my friends were saying oh you can do this that and the other a million times quicker etc on a pc programme and that made me think oh no should I have just got a pc programme. But the mpc has so much more than a pc programme you can actually feel it and do it with your hands not with a mouse. plus it looks dope!!! 8) I've made my choice and I will stick to it although that does not mean I will never use a pc programme because I hear recycle can work along side the mpc to good effect.

Roundy
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By The-Shadow Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:25 pm
cynic wrote:
My humblest apologies, cynic. Boy, the way you're lashing back, one would think that you and the Fruity Loops people are buddy and friend. You're talking like you're the software production police or something. Don't take it personal, Officer cynic. All I offered was my opinion, not a judgment.


not lashing out, and no i'm not connected....sorry bad day at the office ;)

the way i read it it looked to me like you were saying computers were finicky and easily prone to break down, causing you to lose all your work.

The one thing that worries me about computer based operations such as FL, the BSOD. Once you get the BSOD, you usually have to reformat and reinstall all your applications and transfer all your backed up material (assuming you did do a backup of your tracks, samples, etc.).

Now I'm not saying that hardware is perfect, it can fail too, I fix failed hardware every day. But their failure probability is small compared to Windows' failures.

I doubt the FPC would truly rival an MPC, but it is another option to use for production.


that whole BlueScreenOfDeath comment is just way off base and has very little basis in technical reality. i've gotten many blue screens - mostly due to bad driver errors. not one has ever forced me to reformat a hard drive or anything that severe. if someone recommended you do that with a blue screen you're getting bad technical advice.

additionally, if you're anywhere near serious about your DAW you should have separate HD's for programs, samples, recording, and backup. this separates everything in the case of failure you don't lose everything. in my setup i have drives for each, then i backup each drive to a RAID-5 array so i don't lose ANYTHING!

personally, i use the mpc in conjunction with FL and many other programs, and i find it to work well together. not trying to promote one over the other, just saying that a lot of these anti-computer anti-software arguments have little to no basis in reality.

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It's all good, I have those days sometimes. I still prefer hardware myself, but do what's good for you.

Peace and respect.

By mkbaproductions Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:18 am
IMO the mpc 2000xl is very limited compared to present sequencer/samplers and that is Why I got an mpc4000 and sold my 2000xl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be because the mpc I had(2000xl) didnt have 8 outs and the effects board but this mpc 4000 is a **** beast and I only added 500$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh yeah check out ableton live aswell, it shits on fruityloops but I aint about whats new or whatnot, 2000xl just made my production very limited because I had to save all my shit into pc just so I can add effects and shit and then reaarange it again on mpc. Now all I do is **** with the 4000 and this lil beast, mikrokorg. Damn Im in heaven!!!!!!


Oh anf **** what the other dude said about the timing, you can bang out a hot drum pattern in fruity if you just had your drum programming right!!! Its about you being on time, you dont need the help of quantize, FOOOL!!!!!


You quantize to shift sound sounds to make it swing a bit but you dont quantize because you couldnt bang out your snares on point so you put on 1/8 and count 1&snare&3&snare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Voo Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:37 pm
If you were software raised and make the transition to mpc you will be dissapointed. Its all about what you started on and how much time and effort you bring into it. I've been working with FL for 4 years now, and usually make 2-3 beats a day. I"ve steadily improved everytime I turn on the computer. I used the timing feature, the quantize, and the velocity feature regularly. YOu can easily mimic the aspects of a MPC if you think about it.

FL, with wav plugins, and cool edit is all I will ever need. I don't even own a midi controler.

www.soundclick.com/voo

"George the Animal"

^^ example of last nights FL studio beat.


I recently purchased the 1000 to give it a try. I focused on it and it alone for two weeks, spending hours at a time. I read the manual cover to cover several times and imported some of my dopest samples and drums. I found that I was becoming increasingly frustrated with the way I was forced to work. I felt constricted by the effects, the mixer, the sequencer, and the pads themselves.

It was just not how I wanted to work. I'm not pissed or want to lecture everyone on how the MPC sucks. I make beats that I like and I make them how I want.

Primo used a MPC... Timberland doesn't -- they're both pretty good.

the 1000 is on its way back to the store.
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By mpc4000xl Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:19 am
FL, with wav plugins, and cool edit is all I will ever need. I don't even own a midi controler.

YO !!!!!! IF YA Good Without a midi controller you would be SICK with one
and believe me here is some of why from my experience with FL 4 (i'm bout to get FL 5)

Clickin' changes with a mouse is limited (one at a time)with a controller you can and will do two very quick knob changes or slider moves ...
And in FL Ya jus' set your param to a controller turn the knob or hit da slider and you control is setup FAR easier than it is 2 do it in Logic or Most others Seqz this benifits you INFINATELY your Synth, Samples or FX GET so Crazy and in fact .......

I need to go Turn on Fruity Now.......

But I Must Say that I Started using the MPC2000 in 1998 and the Got MY
own MPC2000xl and Still LUV it (But Computer FX are NUTZ NUTZ I TELL YA)

I began using Fruityloops 3.0 as a gag ! a GAG because i needed Quick
funds to handle legal business and had to sell my MPC2000xl ....
That HURT GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I Got A New MPC2000XL With internal ZIP Free !!! YES BUT NO 8 OUTS !!!!!! BOOO
O Well DATS Life

Anyway LUV DA FORUM Keep Honin' YA Creativity and Craft, WhatEva YA Use


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