Drum techniques

Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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Re: Drum techniques

By Lampdog Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:12 am
Mxlvxnn wrote:I guess now its just about messing around with breaks.

That's what it's always been about. Stop playing and get to work on that.
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Re: Drum techniques

By Ill-Green Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:14 pm
Ah, the boom bap sound. A sound like creaking rotten wood floors and an antique dusty record player in the corner playing Bernard Purdie solos. All illuminated with just a 5 watt lightbulb swinging from an extension cord over an MPC sampling through a 1960's tube amp.

Thats boom bap :fku:

Re: Drum techniques

By Ron-Jay Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 pm
n4l wrote:Record hot. :-D


that's what i'm talking about. My friend's dad did professional analog production for some big artists and he said they were always in hot.
You can't do that without clipping in a digital interface and is another reason why I go to vinyl for my samples.

Re: Drum techniques

By Mxlvxnn Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:16 pm
Ron-Jay wrote:
n4l wrote:Record hot. :-D


that's what i'm talking about. My friend's dad did professional analog production for some big artists and he said they were always in hot.
You can't do that without clipping in a digital interface and is another reason why I go to vinyl for my samples.


Is there a limit to how loud I should be recording? I also re-sample my samples to 12-bit. I go through that process but I kinda just go in without knowing what I'm doing though. Can someone explain to me what hertz are?
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Re: Drum techniques

By *Pilchard* Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:12 am
Mxlvxnn wrote:. Can someone explain to me what hertz are?


Hertz means Cycles per second.
I guess you are talking about Samplerate, yes?
44.1kHz is CD quality.

anything lower than that will sound progressively darker and eventually will sound a bit crusty.
Older samplers often sample at lower rates. 30kHz and 15kHz being quite common.

Re: Drum techniques

By Ron-Jay Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:42 am
*Pilchard* wrote:
Mxlvxnn wrote:. Can someone explain to me what hertz are?


Hertz means Cycles per second.
I guess you are talking about Samplerate, yes?
44.1kHz is CD quality.

anything lower than that will sound progressively darker and eventually will sound a bit crusty.
Older samplers often sample at lower rates. 30kHz and 15kHz being quite common.


44.1kHz refers to the amount of samples per second in an analog signal. The information is actually 44,100 little pieces per second of information, more than twice the maximum frequency that can be heard by humans.

Normally though when talking about Hertz and cycles per second we are referring to the number of times a string vibrates per second. a string going from center, up, down, and back to center has completed one cycle of vibration. if it cycles 440 times per second, or 440 Hertz, it produces an A. a string that vibrates at 220 Hertz is an octave below middle A, and a string vibrating at 880 Hertz is an octave above middle A. putting those numbers in perspective, 44,100 is a lot of cycles, so fast that we can't hear it, and that's why audio recorded at that frequency sounds seamless even though it isn't.
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Re: Drum techniques

By Ill-Green Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:58 pm
Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....
Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
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Re: Drum techniques

By SimonInAustralia Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:40 am
Ron-Jay wrote:44.1kHz refers to the amount of samples per second in an analog signal.

Incorrect.

Ron-Jay wrote:Normally though when talking about Hertz and cycles per second we are referring to the number of times a string vibrates per second.

Only 'normally' IF talking about stringed instruments.
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Re: Drum techniques

By Borat Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:16 am
A lot of people will say it's all about breaks, but i don't agree with that. For that boom bap sound, it can be really useful to layer your sampled kicks with 808 or 909 kicks or any other drum machine. And some of the best boom bap drums can come from other sources as well: for example DJ Premier got some of his best drums from e-mu modules, with just a little bit of Eq, compression... added

Re: Drum techniques

By Ron-Jay Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:27 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:
Ron-Jay wrote:44.1kHz refers to the amount of samples per second in an analog signal.

Incorrect.

care to back that up, big guy? even tapes run at a certain number of "frames per second"
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Re: Drum techniques

By SimonInAustralia Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:33 pm
Ron-Jay wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:
Ron-Jay wrote:44.1kHz refers to the amount of samples per second in an analog signal.

Incorrect.

care to back that up, big guy? even tapes run at a certain number of "frames per second"

Don't have to back anything up, little guy! :lol: :fku:

44.1kHz is one of the standard digital audio sample rates. It refers to the number of samples per second in a digital signal, NOT in an analogue signal. Analogue signals do not contain digital samples, there is no 44.1kHz sample rate in an analogue signal.

Tapes do not run at a certain number of "frames per second", they run at a certain number of inches per second (ips). The SMPTE linear timecode protocol (LTC), and the SMPTE vertical interval time code protocol (VITC) in video tape machines, used for syncing tape machines with other devices, run at a certain number of frames per second.

Do some learning, this is basic audio fundamentals type shit. :Sigh:

Re: Drum techniques

By Ron-Jay Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:14 am
SimonInAustralia wrote:Don't have to back anything up, little guy! :lol: :fku:

44.1kHz is one of the standard digital audio sample rates. It refers to the number of samples per second in a digital signal, NOT in an analogue signal. Analogue signals do not contain digital samples, there is no 44.1kHz sample rate in an analogue signal.

Tapes do not run at a certain number of "frames per second", they run at a certain number of inches per second (ips). The SMPTE linear timecode protocol (LTC), and the SMPTE vertical interval time code protocol (VITC) in video tape machines, used for syncing tape machines with other devices, run at a certain number of frames per second.

Do some learning, this is basic audio fundamentals type ****. :Sigh:


thank you for backing that up... you go around marking incorrect on shit without educating then you're of no use.
i meant to say digital not analog; pretty simple correction to make. The reason i mention tape is because early digital audio was recorded to analog video tape and ran at frames per second equivalent to a maximum of 44.1 khz
and who the **** doesn't like being called big guy? let me know when you tour the u.s. simon. i would love to see you put all of that learning you've done to use. we could meet up and have a chat.
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Re: Drum techniques

By SimonInAustralia Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:27 am
Ron-Jay wrote:i meant to say digital not analog; pretty simple correction to make.

Yes, and I was just pointing out that it was incorrect.

Ron-Jay wrote:The reason i mention tape is because early digital audio was recorded to analog video tape and ran at frames per second equivalent to a maximum of 44.1 khz

You're reaching now, you seemed to be talking about frames per second in relation to tapes in general, that is different to the digital audio being recorded onto video tape in early Sony PCM-1600 and related PCM recorders and adapters, which is not very common at all.

Ron-Jay wrote:and who the **** doesn't like being called big guy?

Probably the person you use it against as an insult.

Ron-Jay wrote:let me know when you tour the u.s. simon. i would love to see you put all of that learning you've done to use. we could meet up and have a chat.

Why does anyone have to use this sort of knowledge for performing/touring?

There are many other reasons, within the industry, or as a hobby, to learn this stuff, besides having to prove anything to randoms on the internet by performing and touring professionally.

For example, a studio tech or engineer might have a much greater knowledge of the technical side of audio and music equipment than many performers, and just because they do not perform and tour, that does not lessen or negate their level of knowledge.
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Re: Drum techniques

By Ron-Jay Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:48 am
you took it as an insult and made a little emoticon giving me the middle finger. your temper will get you into trouble out here in the real world. thanks for your expertise and let me know when you want to get together, anytime. 8)
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Re: Drum techniques

By SimonInAustralia Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:49 am
Ron-Jay wrote:you took it as an insult and made a little emoticon giving me the middle finger.

You meant it as an insult, you know it, I know it. :Sigh:
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