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By Star One Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:29 pm
W. Steele wrote:I don't know if I'm the bitter old man yet (probably am) but the state of the DJ scene sucks right now and I'm not going to sit around waiting for hip hop's comeback like so many people are, keeping their fingers crossed .

Big business has it clutches on the DJ industry HARD right now and I don't think they're gonna let up until they've sucked it dry .


Big business sucked things dry in the 80's. When they took what they wanted from our Culture, and packaged it for sale.

Hip Hop coming back in the mainstream WILL NOT happen, yeah. Whoever is wating for that, I've never heard of. Those who like that type of music go else where, rather then corporate media. And even if they are just fans, and it's important enough to them, they will find it. And find LOTS and LOTS of it coming out near daily.

Perception changes to what your surrounded with. Like I'm sure that's why I have this perspective because the Culture is all I know. I grew up with it, both my parents enforced it, all my brothers and sisters too. Maybe where your from its a bit harder to find, but when you start looking, you'll really start to see it.

But yeah for corporate american media, yeah never happen. Even those companys say their audiences attention spans and intelligence are not enough to understand any of it. And I used to laugh at people on the internet would say 'they are trying to dumb us down' but now I can see it.

As my mum says, with that music is modern day jim crow. Best way to keep a people down is to keep them dumb.

I've met quite a few people where I live now and all of them had said "I thought I was only Hip Hoppa around here". It's common for that. And this is not directed at anyone in specific, just a qoute I hear a lot lol is "Hip Hop never died, you **** just didn't know where to find it" :nod: I personally would of left the swearing out, but thats just me haha

But yes. Two completely different worlds. Only time I hear about all that wierd corporate propaganda media stuff is on this forum. Outside of that, nope. And it's cool because it's not for me. Not my groove. I'm not a consumer. I'm a liver. Nothing wrong with being on either side. Like I dont faulght those who are on the commercial side. I dont try and bring them into the culture. Because your either born with it, or your not. Even finding later, when you do, you'll know if it was what was missing your whole life or not.

Edit: Qouted the wrong person... -_-
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By CHOPFYT Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:01 pm
Wal Martian wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U-eG9dMai4


:Sigh:

F*ckin hipsters
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By Tag One The Fader Fiend Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:46 pm
W. Steele wrote:BAM . Point blank . Add in the extremely low cost of becoming a DJ now compared to even 5 years ago and you have a recipe for killing off a once flourishing artform .

I DJ for a living and am looking for a way out . It's a fcking joke these days.


I feel you you there W.Steele, I stop DJing at local clubs and pubs years ago as like you said in your post, people were just undercutting everyone and I won't be apart off it. As the old saying goes "If you pay peanuts you get monkeys"
By mr.pleasant Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:00 pm
another massive thang i see in deejay's ( & i've been for 21 yrs now )
NO DAMN SKILLS.... PERIOD :nod:
& one more slight thing, if u don't got at least 250 pieces of vinyl in collection.....
Ur Not an real authentic DJ....
sorry kids, but sheeeeit is real in the field :nod:
No real using hands nor finger tips........ just buttons & settings.....
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By JUKE 179r Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:11 am
I got a friend who can beat juggle and transform pretty damn well with his Serato/Mac setup.
I gave him 2 "real" 12 inch copies of Al Naayfiysh by Hashim and kid couldn't get shit right. Shit was a train **** wreck for him trying to beat juggle and even mix 2 of the same songs. I could tell he was so used to staring at a laptop that it was just too much for him to get used to with out his setup.

I just sat back… :popcorn: and laughed… :lol:

Then he gave me my props for using real vinyl… :worthy:
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By W. Steele Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:15 pm
JUKE 179r wrote:I got a friend who can beat juggle and transform pretty damn well with his Serato/Mac setup.
I gave him 2 "real" 12 inch copies of Al Naayfiysh by Hashim and kid couldn't get **** right. **** was a train **** wreck for him trying to beat juggle and even mix 2 of the same songs. I could tell he was so used to staring at a laptop that it was just too much for him to get used to with out his setup.

I just sat back… :popcorn: and laughed… :lol:

Then he gave me my props for using real vinyl… :worthy:


:lol:

I never even thought about that before : a whole generation that's not going to be able to use a turntable w/o a laptop . That's some fcked up sh!t .
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By Tag One The Fader Fiend Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:25 pm
W. Steele wrote:I never even thought about that before : a whole generation that's not going to be able to use a turntable w/o a laptop . That's some fcked up sh!t .


+1 :nod:
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By Dabblerobb Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:42 pm
This is why i got away from serato when playing out. There's a stigma about bringing a laptop around here. I still use a laptop but I chop all the songs im gonna use in ableton into 16 or 32 bar loops then remix on the fly with push and maschine studio. I try not to even look at the lap off to the side.


Btw I learned on vinyl. There's also gonna be a generation who can't scratch for ish on real vinyl without making the needle jump all over the place too.
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By Tag One The Fader Fiend Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:04 pm
Dabblerobb wrote:There's also gonna be a generation who can't scratch for ish on real vinyl without making the needle jump all over the place too.


Oh yes, I've seen them :nod: You hand these people a non-skipless skratch record and watch the train wreck begin :lol:
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By CHOPFYT Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:12 pm
Although I think all DJs should at least know how to use vinyl I dont think its a big deal if you dont use vinyl for samples or DJing in general, I think more recently theres a lot of pretentious ar*ewipes buying vinyl and lording the fact that they own a turntable.

I sold my turntables last year I dont miss them I havent bought any vinyl in 5 years I use a Kontrol S2 its a lot more compact and I can do 90% of the sh*t I used to do plus I got doubles of every song I ever owned and they take up a fraction of the space.

I dunno man I think its like people that bit*ched/bi*ch about any analog to digital cross over...theres plenty of people here who now use a maschine or other controller who probly wouldnt have thought theyd ever leave their legacy MPC(s) behind :|
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By Ian Canefire Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:49 pm
No Chop you are veering away from the point made in the beginning. The problem is with DJ's who do not know how to mix and make a party special.

We all can buy gear. We all can play a record. I mean, a monkey can play a record from beginning to end. The DJ is supposed to do what the common person cannot with digital or analog.

The skill is vanishing and the crowd is not holding the DJ's accountable. Do the same research in your area. Start listening to DJ sets and rating them. I now live in Washington DC and have always been a HipHop fan. I know how to DJ but never thought I was great at it because I used to hang with professional DJ's. If I listed the cats I ran with in Philly and Jersey you would think I was name dropping. However they were all just around and you sorta just became cool in Philly because it was such a small community.

DJ's don't know the fundamentals it seems and you can pay money to go to a party right now in DC and the DJ will just play back a regular track the way it is when you buy it. They don't have remixes, they don't make their own remixes, they don't show skill.

It's a dirty bread game.

The crowd is getting clowned UOENO

Peace
Ian
Last edited by Ian Canefire on Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By CHOPFYT Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:06 pm
my bad, i did go on one a bit there :Sigh: :lol:

Its true, I dont go out that often but I went to watch Pharoah nch a couple weeks back and I was dissapointed but not suprised that the support, bar a short set pre-Monch, was pretty lame...even Pharoahs 'X-ectutioner' DJ was weak, at one point I thought 'he's alright' then he walked away from the decks and low and behold a fresh cut and smooth blend came out the speakers :?

When he finally got back on the decks he continued to annihilate the the crowds ear drums with hi pitched cuts and fumbled juggling and this dude is in the x-ecutioners!? :Sigh:
By mastasteez Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:28 pm
I was out a couple weeks back and the DJ was atrocious. The sound stopped completely on about 4 occasions for 2-3 second periods :shock: :shock: :shock: when we shouted, yo what the **** is going on? He blamed it on a non-existent fire alarm :WTF:

I have recently got into mixing hip hop and have a couple of questions if folks don't mind me going a bit off topic.

1) DJ Qbert advises to have the tone arm weight set to it's heaviest setting but if I do this the sound is terrible. My TT doesn't have a height-adjustable tone arm so I wondered if this is the cause?

2) this is at Ian. You say DJ's don't have their own remixes - how did DJ's do remixes with 2 TT's and a mixer (no software to chop and loop)? Do you mean they'd have their remixes pressed I vinyl or a routine where they mix 2 (or more records) to transform 1 song to a totally new track?

I'm honestly not as naive as these questions may make me appear :mrgreen:
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By Tag One The Fader Fiend Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:18 pm
CHOPFYT wrote:When he finally got back on the decks he continued to annihilate the the crowds ear drums with hi pitched cuts and fumbled juggling and this dude is in the x-ecutioners!? :Sigh:


Which X-Men crew member was it do you know?

mastasteez wrote:DJ Qbert advises to have the tone arm weight set to it's heaviest setting but if I do this the sound is terrible. My TT doesn't have a height-adjustable tone arm so I wondered if this is the cause?


It could be, I would try scaling it back till you get a semi-perfect balance between sound and tracking, try going backward in decrements of 0.5 grams you should find a sweet spot. If you can't find a sweet spot then shoot me a pm and I experiment some setting on my tonearm for you to try out :smoker:
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By Mike Boogie Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:28 pm
To answer the first question, QBert uses his turntables in a way different fashion than a normal club or mix DJ. That approach is used for keeping the needle in the groove as #1 priority. Scratches don't have to be high-fidelity.

My advise is find what works and feels comfortable for you.