Need help TRAP Hi-Hat roll

Hi All,
I know how to roll the hi-hat. I have a lot of hi-hat samples. I have played with the swing percent, but i am not getting a nice rapid quick sound. I am starting to think that it is just that I have not found a good sound.

However that seems to be ridiculous because I have so many samples. SO maybe I am just not rolling the pressure sensitively enough, or not using the right percentage/note value. I get close with 32 note, but sometimes it sounds too fast.

Maybe I shouldn't be using the hihat?

Of course now that I have typed it out I am thinking I should just e patient and go through every 32 note percentage on by one to see which sounds best.

Anyone want to share their method. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to expose yourself.


Peace
Ian

I'm defo not an expert trapper and not really fond of hihats roll.

Nevertheless it seems to me that there's no swing applied at all to the contemporary rolling hats technique. Not even great dynamics to it, if not in some case a push-pull effect (alternating full velocity and half velocity hits).

There is a trick I've heard a lot, indeed and it regards quantization: it often goes 16th into 16th 3-plets into 32th (and further 32th 3-plets) so the effect you're after, in my humble opinion, is given by this movement binary/triplets which breaks from the obvious "double the tempo for your fill" rule.

PEACE

Very helpful Funkydrops. I will try this method.

I will use my digital recorder, MIDIed up to my 4000 and record live the hi-hat roll on its own track and adjust the quantization instead of the swing rate, in real time.

Peace

Ian

My pleasure.

AFAIK there is rarely any swing in trap beats, usually the rolls sound like basic 32ndnote repeats (with some pitch drops/rises). Really easy to do on a JJOS'd mpc as the note repeat rate is easy to mess with on the fly. Unsure as on how easy to pull off with a 4k as mine has been DOA

You use lex luger samples? I bet most trap tunes use em, or so they sound at least :p

Ian, Funkydrops pretty much summed up the process. The trick I use is over dubbing the 16Triplets and using velocity to get stforazando (sp!) effect and fade IN/OUT.

Tsutek is almost correct about trap really not having any swing. But, extreme swing will move you almost to triplet territory but YMMV.

Thanks Mikeboogie, I will try your method. Overdubbing 16th note triplet with the regular 1th note. hmm. I'll let you all know how it goes later.

sforzando


Peace
Ian

You should not have to overdub on a 4k

THE ADVERSARY wrote:You should not have to overdub on a 4k

Huh? You dont have to overdub. These are just techniques, if you can do it in one take than even better. What they told you was an easy way to do it.

dustymaestro wrote:

THE ADVERSARY wrote:You should not have to overdub on a 4k

Huh? You dont have to overdub. These are just techniques, if you can do it in one take than even better. What they told you was an easy way to do it.

Not the easy way to do it and gives a different result from doing it the way the the 4k made popular.

Teach us, what is it?

I'm curious as well, as overdubbing is the SOP for me during recording.. Alternative techniques are always nice to know about.

I used to know play around with this a lot and found out that the BPM had a lot to do with that if you're going for crunk you're up in the 140 range if you're going for trap you could definitely benefit from you're 64 triplets in a 65/75 bpm range to get that really tight rolling flammed sound, kinda like lil jons new turn down for what. also doubleing up with a layer on low velocity can sound real nice before a drop. even try a velocity pattern like medium weak soft weak etc... hope this helped

Sike....

Just hit note repeat and play with the quantize.

you mean... "Psych"