Currently MPC 1000. Which alternative 60 or 2000xl SHOPPIN

mr_debauch wrote:
if you are buying an mpc60 for the sound... you don't load stuff. a lot of the sound comes from recording into the machine, using the machine's analog to digital converters... If you load into the machine instead, you skip that process... you are using the analog to digital converters from another machine.

Not entirely true.

The original Akai MPC60 sound library (and some others) contain pure MPC60 samples. The original purpose of the machine was for non-drummers to create drum tracks quickly with these disks, or create their own samples if they had the time and knowledge of how to. Back then studio time wasn't cheap, nor was hiring a drummer.

yeah for sure that is true... and it worked great for that purpose... what I meant was if the motive for buying the 60 over another device is for coloring the sound (the 12 bit mpc 60 sound that everyone talks about all the time) then sampling into the machine is better than loading up samples recorded and converted with other tools.

SimonInAustralia wrote:With MPC60 OS 3.10, you can load up to the maximum 26.2 seconds in a single sample (and possibly up to 52.4 seconds with sound compression)

With MPC OS previous to 3.00, not sure, doubt it would load it.

I had 3.03 installed on mine and you were limited to 4.5 seconds per pad.

3.03 does not allow the stereo merging of samples.

3.03 does allow you to use the floppy emulator drive without any issues.

3.03 will lose your sequence everytime you want to sample a new sound.

3.03 allows 4 pad banks.

3.03 writes *pgm and *snd

mr_debauch wrote:what I meant was if the motive for buying the 60 over another device is for coloring the sound (the 12 bit mpc 60 sound that everyone talks about all the time) then sampling into the machine is better than loading up samples recorded and converted with other tools.

I agree.

But loading MPC3000 samples into an MPC60 with 3.10 may be an exception to the rule.

^oh right, I didn't even think of that haha... it's true though, that actually could be done with 3.10.

faeriepunk23 wrote:

Wal Martian wrote:If you like chopping on the 1000, you will absolutely hate chopping on the 60.

I was a fool not to heed this advice! Gone back to the 1000, it's too glorious.

This is what separates the MEN from the BOYS, a fear of waveformless chopping. It's not about chopping, music is about SOUND. Learn how to use your ears, without relying on your eyes.

Maybe you are a fool for heeding his advice...

This is a seriously late reply but the sound you may be looking for IS possible with an mpc 1000. Endtroducing has a great sound but getting it is rather strait forward.

You MUST do at least one or any combination of the following:

1 - Use the 6 mono outputs hooked into an analog mixing board. (A MUST!!!!!!)

2 - Use outboard reverb. Even a cheap unit will be fine. (ALSO A MUST!!!!!) Plate reverb which can be digitally simulated is what you hear on Entroducing.

3 - Midi connect 12 bit rackmount samplers like the s900, s950 etc to your mpc 1000 for sequencing. (Your best option) Shadow used 2 of them along with the mpc 60

4 - Use the lowpass filters often to "darken" the sound slightly. Its a passable way to simulate the sound of 12 bit (A cheaper option)

5 - RECORD TO TAPE!!!! Endtroducing is a tape saturation masterpiece. Im not sure if he was using reel to reel or DAT tape(maybe even cassette). Prob DAT tape though. DAT's sound VERY good and still provide some saturation.

Honestly though any of these things will make an mpc sound like gold!!!

Exclaime wrote:3 - Midi connect 12 bit rackmount samplers like the s900, s950 etc to your mpc 1000 for sequencing. (Your best option) Shadow used 2 of them along with the mpc 60

No, he multitracked from an MPC60II to ADAT, no rack mount samplers.

Exclaime wrote:5 - RECORD TO TAPE!!!! Endtroducing is a tape saturation masterpiece. Im not sure if he was using reel to reel or DAT tape(maybe even cassette). Prob DAT tape though. DAT's sound VERY good and still provide some saturation.

No, he recorded from vinyl to MPC60II, then multitracked from the MPC60II to ADAT, then mixed from ADAT to DAT.

Zero tape saturation.

ADAT and DAT are both 16 bit digital tape formats, there is no tape saturation involved with either ADAT or DAT at all.

The 1000 sounds like the 2500, which sounds great.

Look, if back in the day when classic albums were being made artists could have used a Maschine they would have. I bet not one would say, 'I'm gonna use that 60 or SP cos it's 12bit, sounds crunchy and floppies feel real'.

All drum samplers, hardware or software, do the same thing. They take snippets of audio and arrange them over pads which you can use to place those bits of audio on a grid. You can add FX and filters, make things louder or quieter, quantise or add swing.

I like hardware. It's more tactile and inspiring to me than software and a mouse or controller. And yes, old samplers sound cool. But at the end of the days it's 1% of the music's worth listening to.

people who rely on their sampler to give their sound character probably have a point but man if you cant use an mpc 1000 in a way that sounds good then youre a gear fetishist, not a musician. those who swear to the superiority of the old gear or claim that special swing makes sequencing superior to newer models, please get a life!

Nobody said they are superior. The only thing people say is that they have a unique sound (SP a lot more than the 60). If you know what you are doing, you can achieve that sound otherwise, if you don't you can't. You can't re-create the swing of an SP1200.

Please prove me wrong. Make a quantized drum beat on any MPC you like, i'll send you the drum samples (kick, snare, hi-hat). We agree on a tempo, double time. We agree on a drum pattern and segment lenght. Basically we'll make the same drum pattern, with the same samples, same quantization and swing percent. You on the MPC, me on the SP1200. Then we'll take that shit here and to gearslutz for a blind test and see if people can identify the SP swing. I'll laugh at your "today i learned something" face later.

Let me guess, you never used an SP1200 yourself. Typical post from a person who never used one.

Peace.

PS: I'll throw in something else for you. I think maybe you don't like the SP "myth" because they are expensive? Take the 2000XL, it's cheap, maybe that'll resonate better with you... the 2KXL has a unique swing also, hard to replicate.

Man, if you haven't understood that certain drum machines have a unique groove, you havent' understood shit about why people like different ones, it's a part of their appeal.

I'm serious about the blind test, just to shut you up.

please, get a life. one day youll look back on this and shake your head at how silly it sounds (your words and your music)... when you realize that its you who is the musician (the word 'musician' can be taken with a grain of salt), not the gear. when your music goes nowhere and youre finally sober youll realize you were living in a pipe dream lol

but i aint mad at it. i know what being a gear fetishist is all about. i just came to my senses is all.

oh and GS is gear fetishist central. you cant tell anyone anything there. they all have gear on the brain. only the few make it out sane

Words are cheap, let's do the blind test.

But thanks for the insults.

Come on, or are you a chicken with a big mouth?

PS: I never said the machine is important. If you paid attention you would know i'm one of the users who usually tells people it doesn't matter what machine they use, because it's the man, and not the machine. Ahh wait, you're only here since february.

I did music i like on MPCs, ASR, SP... i did music i don't like on all these machines as well. Get off your high horse, maybe i think your words and music sound silly too.

I just said the SP has a unique swing, which is true. Come on chicken.

PS2: People who use the line "please get a life" usually are low-life loosers feeling the need to tell a cool phrase to other people. You pretty much lost me there... but still, let's do the test.

And a last edit: Please tell me why you think i'm a gear fetishist? I owned all kinds of MPCs, rack samplers, etc. I've sold all but the SP, 60 and ASR. I kept those because i like to work with them the most. A gear fetishist doesn't sell gear, he doesn't use it either, he collects it and obsesses over it. Jah was a good example of an Akai gear fetishist, but again, you're only here since february, so probably you don't know who i'm talking about.

I have 2 drum machines and one sampler that i use to make music i like. Where is the gear fetishist exactly?

God, why do i even bother with you....

wow are you on the search for a whipping post? why do you waste time? ive already made my mind up. im just trying to lead the blind away from a myth

jahrome? i been hur since the way back.

a test? im not sure what a test as you defined it would prove... but i think youre missing my point. you made music you dont like? nobodys fault but the musician lol

hey do i know you from somewhere else? are you trolling me? settling a score or something silly like that? sweet! i like to play with trolls. im not here to disrespect you, but bickering over nothing is my forte. so be careful what you start, i can get pretty ridiculous if you push hahaha

From an interview with Buckwild who used the SP1200:

What are some of your general thoughts on the SP1200, it's features and pros & cons?
I loved the swing about it.

Now let's do the test chicken.