Upcoming: MPC 2.0.5

So portamento is icing on the cake?! so it automation editing? really???
Along with a handful of everyday features. If you have a lot of hardware gear and need a brain i could see the X being dope but as far as a computer stand point.... nah....

I can drop 400$ on a computer/labtop that can do what the MPC X and Live do along with more features.

I love MPC's But DO NOT TRUST AKAI WITH SOFTWARE.

Makes me worried about the Rane 72 Mixer. Shit looks good but an x/y effect touch screen ripped from the MPC on it etc etc has me little worried. They say the same Rane engineers will be on it but still. Im not super stoked on inmusic. Ill stick with my DJM S9 and my Maschine.

If they actually update the MPC's, make them worth there money and start showing more effort into constant updates then i would purchase on in the future. Just really for what it is... I could get a lot more done with other stuff and less work arounds.

Akai has been like that for a decade, why change now?

BeatWilson wrote:so it automation editing? really???

Record a filter cutoff on a pad.
Then record some other automation on another pad on the same track.

Later on decide the cutoff automation is all messed up and you'd like to edit it; you can't, in any way.
One'd think you could just draw it using the beautiful, responsive touch screen that was praised a lot – no, can't be done. After all, it's very doable on software, and we were told software and hardware are running that same stuff, so why not?
Well, you want to delete it. Well, you can…but it means you will have to delete *all* automation on the track. You can't just delete one specific type of automation…it's all or nothing. These things do frustrate me and I find them a bit unacceptable, as I love doing a lot of automation trickery and edit it as I like.

You don't have those problems with the software, but having to go to software for that defeats the whole "capable standalone" thing.

Fanu wrote:

BeatWilson wrote:so it automation editing? really???

Record a filter cutoff on a pad.
Then record some other automation on another pad on the same track.

Later on decide the cutoff automation is all messed up and you'd like to edit it; you can't, in any way.
One'd think you could just draw it using the beautiful, responsive touch screen that was praised a lot – no, can't be done. After all, it's very doable on software, and we were told software and hardware are running that same stuff, so why not?
Well, you want to delete it. Well, you can…but it means you will have to delete *all* automation on the track. You can't just delete one specific type of automation…it's all or nothing. These things do frustrate me and I find them a bit unacceptable, as I love doing a lot of automation trickery and edit it as I like.

You don't have those problems with the software, but having to go to software for that defeats the whole "capable standalone" thing.

ok this is true, but u can overdub automation, in a way, despite non perfect, it still working

Living Bate wrote:Am I eligible to download and use the MPC 2.0 Beta?

The MPC 2.0 Beta is available only for MPC Touch, MPC Live, and MPC X owners.

http://www.akaipro.com/support/kb/artic ... or-mpc-2.0

I was a day one Ren owner, and don't agree that they offer 2.0 for free to Ren buyers who bought the Ren brand new from the time 2.0 was released. They don't even sell the Ren anymore do they??

I got the 2.0 software for free. I use it with my Ren. I didn't buy the live or x. And I probably won't since 2.0 seems to work fine with my Ren.

**** them. thanks for the freebie Akai.

Wow lol

Pads wrote:

Living Bate wrote:Am I eligible to download and use the MPC 2.0 Beta?

The MPC 2.0 Beta is available only for MPC Touch, MPC Live, and MPC X owners.

http://www.akaipro.com/support/kb/artic ... or-mpc-2.0

I was a day one Ren owner, and don't agree that they offer 2.0 for free to Ren buyers who bought the Ren brand new from the time 2.0 was released. They don't even sell the Ren anymore do they??

I got the 2.0 software for free. I use it with my Ren. I didn't buy the live or x. And I probably won't since 2.0 seems to work fine with my Ren.

**** them. thanks for the freebie Akai.

BeatWilson wrote:So portamento is icing on the cake?! so it automation editing? really???
Along with a handful of everyday features. If you have a lot of hardware gear and need a brain i could see the X being dope but as far as a computer stand point.... nah....

I can drop 400$ on a computer/labtop that can do what the MPC X and Live do along with more features.

I love MPC's But DO NOT TRUST AKAI WITH SOFTWARE.

Makes me worried about the Rane 72 Mixer. **** looks good but an x/y effect touch screen ripped from the MPC on it etc etc has me little worried. They say the same Rane engineers will be on it but still. Im not super stoked on inmusic. Ill stick with my DJM S9 and my Maschine.

If they actually update the MPC's, make them worth there money and start showing more effort into constant updates then i would purchase on in the future. Just really for what it is... I could get a lot more done with other stuff and less work arounds.

you had me until you said you'd stick with maschine, that thing has been in beta for almost a decade it doesn't sound like you're applying the same rule to both.

Atleast Maschine is stable. Im all for MPC workflow, pads and standalone sampling but if ya can't do normal everyday shit without a work around all the **** time then I'm over it. NI is a software company so yes they are better with software. It is just how it is. Hardware wise i barely consider it hardware but overall it implements into other software better and has "everyday features" more or less.

Why do you say its in Beta?!
I could really care less as I can still make music but I'm curious as why you say that.

I think everyone wants a MPC to do what they should but they just don't at the quality we want or with the features we or I want. Either or I will keep my eye open for updates in the future. It is what it is.

it's been in beta since day one since it dropped, they didn't call it a beta like akai does but I don't fault akai for their honesty.... from adding multicore support to removing it, to maschine's complete software rewrite that was supposed to solve issues that it didn't all the way to natives announcement and apology that they neglected it for 2 years basically and then came out with the jamm it has never worked like it's supposed to work, there are bugs still there from the beginning, and from 1.8.... in my mind that's a beta.
as far as akai goes, I'm thankful that it's actually the small things that are troubling people, I think the small issues will get taken care of and the mpc live will end up being a small miracle machine. There are some larger feature request that I don't have much faith in them implementing like better quality time stretch (that actually truly is great quality)... but the small stuff like the copy/paste stuff etc... I think they'll clean it up. I'm sitting here looking at a beatmachine with a usb hard drive, thumb drive, and sd card connected to it, and I could put an ssd inside if I wanted... it's already a future classic imo.... even if it goes bust and everybody puts theirs up on Craig's or ebay, it's already capable enough that everybody else will scoop them up for 6-900 and make great music with them. There's really never been anything like this even with the caveats...
I think allot of people are really sleeping on this machine's capabilities because of how spread out the features are, but the combination of what these features combined can do is going to make itself very well known as time goes by.

stale bread wrote:it's been in beta since day one since it dropped, they didn't call it a beta like akai does but I don't fault akai for their honesty.... from adding multicore support to removing it, to maschine's complete software rewrite that was supposed to solve issues that it didn't all the way to natives announcement and apology that they neglected it for 2 years basically and then came out with the jamm it has never worked like it's supposed to work, there are bugs still there from the beginning, and from 1.8.... in my mind that's a beta.
as far as akai goes, I'm thankful that it's actually the small things that are troubling people, I think the small issues will get taken care of and the mpc live will end up being a small miracle machine. There are some larger feature request that I don't have much faith in them implementing like better quality time stretch (that actually truly is great quality)... but the small stuff like the copy/paste stuff etc... I think they'll clean it up. I'm sitting here looking at a beatmachine with a usb hard drive, thumb drive, and sd card connected to it, and I could put an ssd inside if I wanted... it's already a future classic imo.... even if it goes bust and everybody puts theirs up on Craig's or ebay, it's already capable enough that everybody else will scoop them up for 6-900 and make great music with them. There's really never been anything like this even with the caveats...
I think allot of people are really sleeping on this machine's capabilities because of how spread out the features are, but the combination of what these features combined can do is going to make itself very well known as time goes by.

You are right, the only reason they started speaking publicly about maschine again was to release the Jam.

On the filpside no way Akai 2.0 should have shipped with that crappy browser in software and even worse in hardware.

Saw the MK3 leaked, looks nice

stale bread wrote:it's been in beta since day one since it dropped, they didn't call it a beta like akai does but I don't fault akai for their honesty.... from adding multicore support to removing it, to maschine's complete software rewrite that was supposed to solve issues that it didn't all the way to natives announcement and apology that they neglected it for 2 years basically and then came out with the jamm it has never worked like it's supposed to work, there are bugs still there from the beginning, and from 1.8.... in my mind that's a beta.
as far as akai goes, I'm thankful that it's actually the small things that are troubling people, I think the small issues will get taken care of and the mpc live will end up being a small miracle machine. There are some larger feature request that I don't have much faith in them implementing like better quality time stretch (that actually truly is great quality)... but the small stuff like the copy/paste stuff etc... I think they'll clean it up. I'm sitting here looking at a beatmachine with a usb hard drive, thumb drive, and sd card connected to it, and I could put an ssd inside if I wanted... it's already a future classic imo.... even if it goes bust and everybody puts theirs up on Craig's or ebay, it's already capable enough that everybody else will scoop them up for 6-900 and make great music with them. There's really never been anything like this even with the caveats...
I think allot of people are really sleeping on this machine's capabilities because of how spread out the features are, but the combination of what these features combined can do is going to make itself very well known as time goes by.

I'm not trying to start a argument or go into deep debate over mpc vs maschine. But, I like to say this. The mpcx I purchase last month was the sixth mpc I owned in my life time. So I don't only have gear lust for the mpc, but I am still a mpc fan. I'm also a big fan of maschine and prefer the workflow now.

Now I know everyone has there own preference and that's cool. But, some of you guys here are whipped over the mpc. Like having a girl that blow random guys on the side, but since she also banging you. She can't do no wrong in your eyes. Deep down you see her bad fault. Yet, you still let her drag you around by the nuts and you're willing to fight anyone that warns you of her bad habit.

For the love of God. Are you seriously going to claim maschine as being a beta, as a defense response to the mpc.

Heavie wrote:

stale bread wrote:it's been in beta since day one since it dropped, they didn't call it a beta like akai does but I don't fault akai for their honesty.... from adding multicore support to removing it, to maschine's complete software rewrite that was supposed to solve issues that it didn't all the way to natives announcement and apology that they neglected it for 2 years basically and then came out with the jamm it has never worked like it's supposed to work, there are bugs still there from the beginning, and from 1.8.... in my mind that's a beta.
as far as akai goes, I'm thankful that it's actually the small things that are troubling people, I think the small issues will get taken care of and the mpc live will end up being a small miracle machine. There are some larger feature request that I don't have much faith in them implementing like better quality time stretch (that actually truly is great quality)... but the small stuff like the copy/paste stuff etc... I think they'll clean it up. I'm sitting here looking at a beatmachine with a usb hard drive, thumb drive, and sd card connected to it, and I could put an ssd inside if I wanted... it's already a future classic imo.... even if it goes bust and everybody puts theirs up on Craig's or ebay, it's already capable enough that everybody else will scoop them up for 6-900 and make great music with them. There's really never been anything like this even with the caveats...
I think allot of people are really sleeping on this machine's capabilities because of how spread out the features are, but the combination of what these features combined can do is going to make itself very well known as time goes by.

I'm not trying to start a argument or go into deep debate over mpc vs maschine. But, I like to say this. The mpcx I purchase last month was the sixth mpc I owned in my life time. So I don't only have gear lust for the mpc, but I am still a mpc fan. I'm also a big fan of maschine and prefer the workflow now.

Now I know everyone has there own preference and that's cool. But, some of you guys here are whipped over the mpc. Like having a girl that blow random guys on the side, but since she also banging you. She can't do no wrong in your eyes. Deep down you see her bad fault. Yet, you still let her drag you around by the nuts and you're willing to fight anyone that warns you of her bad habit.

For the love of God. Are you seriously going to claim maschine as being a beta, as a defense response to the mpc.

not at all.... if you read my post that you quoted seriously, you will see that I haven't let akai go with anything, that's the problem with these kind of conversations, it's not about repping akai or native instruments, try reading all of the post without even mentioning akai or native instruments name, what I wrote isn't opinion, the bugs and issues that both maschine and the mpc have are documented facts so all of that 'girl banging whoever on the side shit is irrelevant'... what I did was talk with beatwilson about applying the same rule to the maschine bugs that he did with the mpc bugs. I'm heavily invested in maschine so I know what I'm talking about, as I am invested in the mpc as well. I think there is more irony in the fact that allot of people want akai to stop calling something a beta when it is clearly still a beta and all I said about that was that I appreciate the honesty because native didn't offer that honesty. I've had maschine for 2 weeks since before it's official release and I know every bug that it still has, after the updates, after the total and complete rewrite, and after the self admitted neglect..... but the bone you have to pick with me is that I call that a beta?.... if 7 years from now akai has not fixed this thing you better believe I'm going to say it's been in beta for almost a decade, why wouldn't I if it's in beta now and then years later the same problems exist?....

kaydigi wrote:

stale bread wrote:it's been in beta since day one since it dropped, they didn't call it a beta like akai does but I don't fault akai for their honesty.... from adding multicore support to removing it, to maschine's complete software rewrite that was supposed to solve issues that it didn't all the way to natives announcement and apology that they neglected it for 2 years basically and then came out with the jamm it has never worked like it's supposed to work, there are bugs still there from the beginning, and from 1.8.... in my mind that's a beta.
as far as akai goes, I'm thankful that it's actually the small things that are troubling people, I think the small issues will get taken care of and the mpc live will end up being a small miracle machine. There are some larger feature request that I don't have much faith in them implementing like better quality time stretch (that actually truly is great quality)... but the small stuff like the copy/paste stuff etc... I think they'll clean it up. I'm sitting here looking at a beatmachine with a usb hard drive, thumb drive, and sd card connected to it, and I could put an ssd inside if I wanted... it's already a future classic imo.... even if it goes bust and everybody puts theirs up on Craig's or ebay, it's already capable enough that everybody else will scoop them up for 6-900 and make great music with them. There's really never been anything like this even with the caveats...
I think allot of people are really sleeping on this machine's capabilities because of how spread out the features are, but the combination of what these features combined can do is going to make itself very well known as time goes by.

You are right, the only reason they started speaking publicly about maschine again was to release the Jam.

On the filpside no way Akai 2.0 should have shipped with that crappy browser in software and even worse in hardware.

Saw the MK3 leaked, looks nice

yeah I saw the info on amazona, it looks very contemporary.... waiting to pop the hood and see what's underneath!

@Heavie just re-read your post and just for clarity's sake I'm not interested in maschine vs mpc debates either... this was just about the long term bug status of these instruments.

It always is a brand vs brand thing. I get caught in it no doubt. Fact is all these companies do it, it seems to be a successful tactic for these companies or they wouldn't do it. I cannot think of one company that isn't complained about. Some less than others but Akai haters is like a bandwagon. Yet all people compare thier company or product to akai. Don't get me wrong they did it to themselves, but I mean come on now.

Shouldn't we all be making music instead of talking about how the MV kills any mpc, the machine runs circles around for WAY cheaper, this new octatrack mk2 beats akai, the live was all hype and garbage yet I'm buying 5 year old tech repacked, why can't Roland do this or that, this new ripoff synth is better than your ripoff synth. Talk about people getting distracted. You're being gamed.

I'm trying to do this more- Gtting off the computer and making music with my shitty new mpc, missing feature digitakt, and still needs to be updated so it works right on mac computers analog heat.......